Speculation: Must the villain be Gary Mitchell, or... ? - Page 4

Therin of Andor · October 17 2012, 12:13 PM

chardman wrote:

IIRC, what Orci said was that a canonical Trek character... and a fan favorite at that... would appear in the film.

We know there are Klingons. I'm still thinking that Kor, Koloth or Kang will be leading them. But I'm pretty sure Cumberbatch is not playing one. Unless he's a Klingon disguised as a human.

Jackson_Roykirk · October 17 2012, 02:43 PM

Shilliam Watner wrote:

Jackson_Roykirk wrote:

Shilliam Watner wrote:

I definitely agree. The shirt is torn exactly like it was in the episode with the neck ring intact.

Was the neck ring intact?:

At one point it was lol

Well, yeah -- the neck ring was intact before the shirt was ripped at all

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However, the the first time we saw the ripped shirt, the neck ring was also ripped.
Here is the FIRST GLIMPSE we get of the ripped shirt. This is about two or three seconds after the shirt was seen NOT ripped (Kirk had just dived at Mitchell, and before and during the dive the shirt was not ripped):

But alas, having shown all of this is probably provides no evidence either way as to whether the film includes Gary Mitchell or not.

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Set Harth · October 18 2012, 02:00 AM

Temis wrote:

But can Khan work as a villain in a two hour movie?

If only there were some way to determine this.

Jackson_Roykirk · October 18 2012, 02:25 AM

chardman wrote:

IIRC, what Orci said was that a canonical Trek character... and a fan favorite at that... would appear in the film.

Well, I'm a fan, and two of my favorites are Mr. Kyle and Kevin Riley (seriously).
I'd like to see Kevin Riley in the film -- maybe singing "I'll Take You Home Again Kathleen".

Dukhat · October 18 2012, 11:28 PM

Set Harth wrote:

Temis wrote:

But can Khan work as a villain in a two hour movie?

If only there were some way to determine this.

Ovation · October 19 2012, 12:08 AM

Jackson_Roykirk wrote:

chardman wrote:

IIRC, what Orci said was that a canonical Trek character... and a fan favorite at that... would appear in the film.

Well, I'm a fan, and two of my favorites are Mr. Kyle and Kevin Riley (seriously).
I'd like to see Kevin Riley in the film -- maybe singing "I'll Take You Home Again Kathleen".

He has to sing it at least as many times as in the original episode or I'll refuse to watch.

Dream · October 19 2012, 12:33 AM

I'm be disappointed if they go with Gary Mitchell as the villain. I don't want to see Kirk go up against yet another God like villian. We had more than enough of that in TOS.

At least Khan was more unique being a superhuman and had a more interesting past as a dictator.

BillJ · October 21 2012, 08:00 PM

Dream wrote:

I'm be disappointed if they go with Gary Mitchell as the villain. I don't want to see Kirk go up against yet another God like villian. We had more than enough of that in TOS.

And those episodes were nearly fifty years ago and this version of Kirk has went up against zero God-like villains.

M'Sharak · October 21 2012, 08:26 PM

What does a God-like villain need with a starship?

BillJ · October 21 2012, 08:49 PM

M'Sharak wrote:

What does a God-like villain need with a starship?

The movie will be worth the price of admission if Pine speaks that line!

Set Harth · October 22 2012, 12:22 AM

Who needs starships when you've got transwarp beaming?

milo bloom · October 22 2012, 01:15 AM

I'm going to go ahead and stake my claim in the speculation game: I'm going with a shapeshifter like Garth of Izar. First all the talk of Khan, then the way Urban worded his comment about "Cumberbatch's Gary Mitchell" being "exemplary". I'm thinking JJ is wanting to "cheat" and cram several TOS iconic villains into his movie by using a changeling that will impersonate these other characters and go after Kirk that way.

Just pulling that out of my, er, hat, so I'm not going to wager any money on it or anything.

Therin of Andor · October 22 2012, 10:25 AM

milo bloom wrote:

I'm thinking JJ is wanting to "cheat" and cram several TOS iconic villains into his movie by using a changeling that will impersonate these other characters and go after Kirk that way.

Not to mention the coincidence of Koloth looking just like Trelane!

Wasn't "Talosian" on Orci's list of possibles? Another shapeshifter, through the power o the mind. We still have Pike, and he has a history with Talosians in the other timeline.

CommanderRaytas · October 22 2012, 04:41 PM

Dukhat wrote:

If the villain is portrayed well, then who cares whether it's Mitchell, Khan, or the Tribble Emperor?

It's not the character that counts, it's what is done with that character.

In all honesty, I'd much rather watch the Tribble Emperor (of Random Capitalisations) than Khan...but I suppose we must take what we get.

Sindatur · October 22 2012, 05:46 PM

CommanderRaytas wrote:

Dukhat wrote:

If the villain is portrayed well, then who cares whether it's Mitchell, Khan, or the Tribble Emperor?

It's not the character that counts, it's what is done with that character.

In all honesty, I'd much rather watch the Tribble Emperor (of Random Capitalisations) than Khan...but I suppose we must take what we get.

Hmmm...Is that why the other thread is titled The Trouble with Trailers?

October 19 2012, 12:33 AM	#52
Dream Admiral	Re: Speculation: Must the villain be Gary Mitchell, or... ? I'm be disappointed if they go with Gary Mitchell as the villain. I don't want to see Kirk go up against yet another God like villian. We had more than enough of that in TOS. At least Khan was more unique being a superhuman and had a more interesting past as a dictator. __________________ TWoP Forums .

October 21 2012, 08:26 PM	#54
M'Sharak Definitely Herbert. Maybe. Location: Terra Inlandia	Re: Speculation: Must the villain be Gary Mitchell, or... ? What does a God-like villain need with a starship? __________________ I have long felt that any reviewer who expresses rage and loathing for a novel or a play or a poem is preposterous. He or she is like a person who has put on full armor and attacked a hot fudge sundae or a banana split. — Kurt Vonnegut

October 22 2012, 12:22 AM	#56
Set Harth Commodore Location: Ekkaia	Re: Speculation: Must the villain be Gary Mitchell, or... ? Who needs starships when you've got transwarp beaming? __________________ Are you casting aspersions on my asparagus?

October 22 2012, 01:15 AM	#57
milo bloom Fleet Captain Location: The varied and beautiful Chicagoland suburbs.	Re: Speculation: Must the villain be Gary Mitchell, or... ? I'm going to go ahead and stake my claim in the speculation game: I'm going with a shapeshifter like Garth of Izar. First all the talk of Khan, then the way Urban worded his comment about "Cumberbatch's Gary Mitchell" being "exemplary". I'm thinking JJ is wanting to "cheat" and cram several TOS iconic villains into his movie by using a changeling that will impersonate these other characters and go after Kirk that way. Just pulling that out of my, er, hat, so I'm not going to wager any money on it or anything. __________________ 'Tis a lie! Thy backside is whole and ungobbled, thou ungrateful whelp!

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