The Revolution pilot is online now...

[propita]

That map?

http://www.revolution-show.com/map-o...nroe-republic/

I would think The Wastelands would extend further west, covering more of the desert. I wonder if Hoover Dam is still there, or is the Colorado rushing through like it used to?

[SG-17]

The Dam should last hundreds of thousands of years, even without electricity working.

[JD]

I really enjoyed this episode. I especially like Neville's backstory, and we actually got a face to face confrontation between Neville and Miles & Charlie, I didn't expect to see that for a lot longer. I guessed that "Nate" was Jason part way through the episode.

[Scout101]

SG-17 wrote:

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That isn't how it works though. The reason that statistical lifespans were low before modern medicine was because of the high rate of infant mortality and childhood diseases.

If you lived to be 30 you were expected to live into your 70s.

Now take into account that Smallpox and Polio have been wiped out.

Not really what I was getting at, though. In a large-scale fight to survive, people past their physical peak are gonna have less of a chance. Grandma ain't fighting off a looter, or walking 100 miles away. They may be ok to live to 70 as much as 30 due to disease, but the physical toll would be a tough one to get past. Same with younger ones that would be more vulnerable. And those families trying to take care of a young or old family member would be more likely to run into trouble as a group, dragging down ones that might otherwise be able to get away.

[sojourner]

Interesting, it appears the U.S. has a couple new great lakes on the borders of the wastelands.

[Scout101]

Where? Not seeing it.

And still think the California republic is silly, that wasteland should extend to at least the southern half of CA. No water, massive population, nothing to eat except each other... Hell, they've even managed for Death Valley to not be included in the wasteland. It's basically a desert wasteland NOW

[Locutus of Bored]

sojourner wrote:

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Interesting, it appears the U.S. has a couple new great lakes on the borders of the wastelands.

I see a slightly oversized Great Salt Lake and an overlap where the expanded California Commonwealth crosses east of the Colorado River, but I don't see any new "great lakes." I think the muted colors make it look like a lake when it's actually just where the border crosses the river.

Scout101 wrote:

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And still think the California republic is silly, that wasteland should extend to at least the southern half of CA. No water, massive population, nothing to eat except each other... Hell, they've even managed for Death Valley to not be included in the wasteland. It's basically a desert wasteland NOW

Doesn't mean it would be unclaimed territory. I took wasteland to also mean that no one even bothered to claim the territory (mostly because it's literal wasteland desert, but not all of it). Some of the northern areas of the "wasteland" aren't even desert, they're mountain foothills and forests. Regardless of how quickly SoCal would degrade back to desert post blackout, there's still plenty of stuff to loot, so it might be worth claiming the land.

[Scout101]

Couldn't blow it up enough to read all the spots, but it looked like the dots in the LA area were still there as identifying relevent places.

If it's just a dead zone with kewl stuff to loot (as all of SoCal would be), not really worth using one of only a half-dozen city identifiers on the map to call it out. Made it look like a live, working capital of that area, whereas it would likely be in northern CA/Oregon if there was anyone left alive there at ALL to worry about government or ruling.

[Locutus of Bored]

There are about two dozen cities called out in SoCal on the map. There are eight dots all over the southern wasteland (central Arizona, one in northern New Mexico, and one in northern Mexico) marking named cities and towns too, with Phoenix marked in red.

[Scout101]

Can't read anything once you blow it up, but wondering if the red dots/text indicates dead zones. If you compare locations, it would seem that they would generally correspond with large city populations, so would be the areas you'd expect to want to map just to stay away from.

Lots of black dots nearby them, though, so not sure that holds true. And if the city goes, you'd expect a much larger red circle around them, as the people eventually flee and ruin the surrounding area.

[Jono]

Pretty good episode, though Danny's inability to take Neville's gun when it so open for the stealing confounds me. Nate's escape was ridiculous, it made the "good guys" look super stupid. Mitchell's character rolled over a bit too quickly, I thought they might have her hold out a bit longer given she's been with Monroe for what, 10+ years?

[DarthTom]

SG-17 wrote:

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The Dam should last hundreds of thousands of years, even without electricity working.

Interestingly enough the HS channel show life after people addresses the life of the dam and it wouldn't last as long as you might think.

If the dam isn't producing electricity it's designed to pass water through side spill ways. Eventually those spill ways in less than 100 years would get clogged up with mussels that reside in Lake Meade behind the dam. After 10,000 years of water going through the spillways, the dam's concrete structure would collapse.

[SG-17]

Wouldn't the water just spill over the dam?

[sojourner]

I think it has overflow spillways.

[DarthTom]

SG-17 wrote:

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Wouldn't the water just spill over the dam?

This is way off track but if you look at the intake towers the will eventually become clogged with mussels that reside in lake Meade and eventually the water would spill over the dam apparently and erode the concrete structure.