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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old October 14 2012, 07:01 PM   #16
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Re: Which movie does Kirk cherish his flaws?

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Kirk cherishing his flaws/pain gives him a nice character moment but only at the expense of trashing the rest of the cast's characters, since none of them apparently were deep thinkers and easily gave in to Sybok's pain-sharing blabber.
This was a horribly thought out plot point. Although the novel gives some explanation, the movie never makes it clear whether Sybok is simply convincing people through smooth talking, controlling them through some type of telepathy, or a combination of the two.

Regardless though, we see that out of a crew of 430+, Kirk and Spock are the only ones able to resist Sybok's control outright, with McCoy coming around once he sees Kirk and Spock resist. We see Scotty acting normally, but only because he wasn't around Sybok at any point to be controlled. Everyone else was apparently co-opted without difficulty, including the rest of the command crew, which strains credibility beyond belief.
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Old October 15 2012, 04:39 AM   #17
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Re: Which movie does Kirk cherish his flaws?

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Kirk cherishing his flaws/pain gives him a nice character moment but only at the expense of trashing the rest of the cast's characters, since none of them apparently were deep thinkers and easily gave in to Sybok's pain-sharing blabber.
This was a horribly thought out plot point. Although the novel gives some explanation, the movie never makes it clear whether Sybok is simply convincing people through smooth talking, controlling them through some type of telepathy, or a combination of the two.
Yeah, that's one of my big problems with the movie. It's a bit muddled . . . .
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Old October 16 2012, 12:51 PM   #18
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I like the movie, and Kirk's push-back on Sybok is definitely a highlight.
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Old October 16 2012, 03:56 PM   #19
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Re: Which movie does Kirk cherish his flaws?

CoveZombie wrote: View Post
This was a horribly thought out plot point. Although the novel gives some explanation, the movie never makes it clear whether Sybok is simply convincing people through smooth talking, controlling them through some type of telepathy, or a combination of the two.

Regardless though, we see that out of a crew of 430+, Kirk and Spock are the only ones able to resist Sybok's control outright, with McCoy coming around once he sees Kirk and Spock resist. We see Scotty acting normally, but only because he wasn't around Sybok at any point to be controlled. Everyone else was apparently co-opted without difficulty, including the rest of the command crew, which strains credibility beyond belief.
We've seen what Vulcan mind powers can do in Trek a LOT of times (most similarly in Voyager's "Investigations") so I have no problem whatsoever with the crew falling to Sybok's will. Kirk and Spock being the only ones able to resist.... it's Star Trek! Of course it's gonna be them who can resist, and not Ensign Bloggs from deck 36
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Old October 16 2012, 04:18 PM   #20
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It's scenes like this that I feel elevate this movie above the "drek" that many would accuse it of being. There is substance there.
Bathetic, chest-thumping, superficial drivel...but substance of a sort nonetheless.
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