Second Star Trek Continues vignette online - Page 2

CaptainSerek · October 10 2012, 05:44 PM

I rewatched the Turnabout Intruder as well as this one together as a double feature. I found them enjoyable. I look forward to a full episode with all that goes with it.

DestinyCaptain · October 11 2012, 06:16 AM

DestinyCaptain wrote:

It was good. Is it just me, or was it never expressly stated by anyone other than a crazy person that women couldn't be captain. I know the episode intent. I am speaking about what was said by the Star Fleet people. If none of them agreed with her, then it could be argued that there was no such exclusion and that this was yet another part of her psychosis...

No takers? I am working off memory here. Anyone know for sure?

MikeH92467 · October 14 2012, 09:20 PM

There have been a lot of discussions about it in other threads. My personal belief is that Janice Lester's rant was directed at Kirk's personal universe as having no room for women in it, but it's pretty much an even split from what I can tell between those who agree with me and those who see it as a blanket statement that there were no female starship Captains.

USS Intrepid · October 14 2012, 09:30 PM

I imagine, given the time it was written, that the intention was that women couldn't be starship captains. However, it can easily be interpreted the other way, and given the times we live in, I see no compelling reason why we shouldn't retcon it.

Potemkin_Prod · October 14 2012, 09:57 PM

Like I've said many times, the only one who makes that claim is Janice Lester, who being psychotic is not a reliable witness. Jim Kirk, who knows her from their past, just chooses not to argue with the crazy person. Can't blame him there.

MikeH92467 · October 15 2012, 03:40 AM

I have written a brief story about the new vignette that you can read by clicking here.

Linnear · October 15 2012, 06:43 AM

MikeH92467 wrote:

I have written a brief story about the new vignette that you can read by clicking here.

Well done Mike. I checked out your other stories. Nice to see someone putting out the effort.

Alec

MikeH92467 · October 15 2012, 10:45 AM

Linnear wrote:

MikeH92467 wrote:

I have written a brief story about the new vignette that you can read by clicking here.

Well done Mike. I checked out your other stories. Nice to see someone putting out the effort.

Alec

Thank you Alec. I'm looking forward to doing a similar story on Axanar in the near future!

DestinyCaptain · October 16 2012, 04:11 AM

Nick - Randy, that's pretty much how I have approached it all these years. Clearly it was written in 20th Century, reflecting the reality of the day. But, given Star Trek's reality it should have been a non-issue. Nothing more than the rantings of an insane human being that was clearly directing all their anger and personal failings at Kirk. I too prefer to believe that there are many females serving in command and flag positions within Star Fleet. Simply not worth mentioning the obvious. It a different time and place. Well, thanks guys. Just couldn't remember off the top off the head. My Trek knowledge base has been atrophying of late.

Potemkin_Prod · October 16 2012, 05:19 AM

We certainly see Captain Shoop (as I call her) in Star Trek IV.

doubleohfive · October 16 2012, 05:38 AM

MikeH92467 wrote:

I have written a brief story about the new vignette that you can read by clicking here.

The lamentable lack of any discussion about "You've Got The Conn"'s obvious similarities to (I'd even say they basically aped it) Starship Exeter's short from a few years ago, affectionately referred to as "Grimmer!", is unfortunate. I'd have loved to have heard the response from the Star Trek Continues gang about that.

Maurice · October 16 2012, 08:00 AM

^^^You mean "The Night Shift".

doubleohfive · October 16 2012, 03:04 PM

Ah yes. Thanks for the correction.

MikeH92467 · October 16 2012, 03:12 PM

doubleohAHHHHHH!!!!! wrote:

MikeH92467 wrote:

I have written a brief story about the new vignette that you can read by clicking here.

The lamentable lack of any discussion about "You've Got The Conn"'s obvious similarities to (I'd even say they basically aped it) Starship Exeter's short from a few years ago, affectionately referred to as "Grimmer!", is unfortunate. I'd have loved to have heard the response from the Star Trek Continues gang about that.

I always welcome comments to my articles, so you're waiting for ...what exactly?

ssosmcin · October 16 2012, 03:30 PM

I liked the Exeter short better mostly because it maintained the tone all the way through and was pretty damned funny. The Continues version wasn't as successful. However, it was extremely well shot. Kim Stinger is hot as hell, which also makes up for a lot. Sulu is ridiculous. The voice is good, but he bounces around like he has Parkinson's. Chekov is fine.

The only thing I didn't like was how it went from light humor to extra buttery corn on a dime. Vic made me laugh his with little double takes, but then he just launched into his "feel good" speech, the kind that I am honestly a little tired of (I hope the full length episiodes aren't filled with these things). I would have enjoyed it if Kirk did some Sulu imitations instead.

The downside to do this with the main characters is that it makes them look like a bunch of kids goofing off until daddy shows up. Good for shits and grins, but not something you'd expect from "the finisest crew in the fleet." In the rec room maybe, but not on the bridge. At least Exeter used character we never saw because of the shift difference. They showed why they are stuck on the graveyard shift.

Of course, I'm taking it way too seriously. It's all in good fun. The production value in this was amazing.

October 10 2012, 05:44 PM	#16
CaptainSerek Commander Location: Sun Valley, California, USA	Re: Second Star Trek Continues vignette online I rewatched the Turnabout Intruder as well as this one together as a double feature. I found them enjoyable. I look forward to a full episode with all that goes with it. __________________ I've come a long way for the power of Genesis, and what do I find? A Square Pegs reject, another actress playing Saavik, and Leonard Nimoy's stand-in.

October 14 2012, 09:20 PM	#18
MikeH92467 Vice Admiral Location: Tampa, FL	Re: Second Star Trek Continues vignette online There have been a lot of discussions about it in other threads. My personal belief is that Janice Lester's rant was directed at Kirk's personal universe as having no room for women in it, but it's pretty much an even split from what I can tell between those who agree with me and those who see it as a blanket statement that there were no female starship Captains. __________________ "The world is made for people who aren't cursed with self-awareness." Annie Savoy

October 14 2012, 09:30 PM	#19
USS Intrepid Commodore Location: Dundee, Scotland, UK	Re: Second Star Trek Continues vignette online I imagine, given the time it was written, that the intention was that women couldn't be starship captains. However, it can easily be interpreted the other way, and given the times we live in, I see no compelling reason why we shouldn't retcon it. __________________ Star Trek: Intrepid

October 14 2012, 09:57 PM	#20
Potemkin_Prod Fleet Captain Location: Southwest Georgia	Re: Second Star Trek Continues vignette online Like I've said many times, the only one who makes that claim is Janice Lester, who being psychotic is not a reliable witness. Jim Kirk, who knows her from their past, just chooses not to argue with the crazy person. Can't blame him there. __________________ Randy -------------------- Project Potemkin http://www.projectpotemkin.com

October 15 2012, 03:40 AM	#21
MikeH92467 Vice Admiral Location: Tampa, FL	Re: Second Star Trek Continues vignette online I have written a brief story about the new vignette that you can read by clicking here. __________________ "The world is made for people who aren't cursed with self-awareness." Annie Savoy

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October 16 2012, 04:11 AM	#24
DestinyCaptain Commander Location: U.S.S. Destiny NCC-720 Leif Ericson II Class Explorer	Re: Second Star Trek Continues vignette online Nick - Randy, that's pretty much how I have approached it all these years. Clearly it was written in 20th Century, reflecting the reality of the day. But, given Star Trek's reality it should have been a non-issue. Nothing more than the rantings of an insane human being that was clearly directing all their anger and personal failings at Kirk. I too prefer to believe that there are many females serving in command and flag positions within Star Fleet. Simply not worth mentioning the obvious. It a different time and place. Well, thanks guys. Just couldn't remember off the top off the head. My Trek knowledge base has been atrophying of late.

October 16 2012, 05:19 AM	#25
Potemkin_Prod Fleet Captain Location: Southwest Georgia	Re: Second Star Trek Continues vignette online We certainly see Captain Shoop (as I call her) in Star Trek IV. __________________ Randy -------------------- Project Potemkin http://www.projectpotemkin.com

October 16 2012, 08:00 AM	#27
Maurice Rear Admiral Location: Maurice in San Francisco	Re: Second Star Trek Continues vignette online ^^^You mean "The Night Shift". __________________ * * * "Star Trek…at times sparkled with true ingenuity, and pure science fiction approaches, and at other times was more carnival like, and very much more the creature of television than the creature of a legitimate literary form." —Rod Serling, 1970"

October 16 2012, 03:04 PM	#28
doubleohfive Fleet Admiral Location: Los Angeles, CA	Re: Second Star Trek Continues vignette online Ah yes. Thanks for the correction. __________________ "I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: "O Lord make my enemies ridiculous." And God granted it." -Voltaire

October 16 2012, 03:30 PM	#30
ssosmcin Commodore Location: New Yawk	Re: Second Star Trek Continues vignette online I liked the Exeter short better mostly because it maintained the tone all the way through and was pretty damned funny. The Continues version wasn't as successful. However, it was extremely well shot. Kim Stinger is hot as hell, which also makes up for a lot. Sulu is ridiculous. The voice is good, but he bounces around like he has Parkinson's. Chekov is fine. The only thing I didn't like was how it went from light humor to extra buttery corn on a dime. Vic made me laugh his with little double takes, but then he just launched into his "feel good" speech, the kind that I am honestly a little tired of (I hope the full length episiodes aren't filled with these things). I would have enjoyed it if Kirk did some Sulu imitations instead. The downside to do this with the main characters is that it makes them look like a bunch of kids goofing off until daddy shows up. Good for shits and grins, but not something you'd expect from "the finisest crew in the fleet." In the rec room maybe, but not on the bridge. At least Exeter used character we never saw because of the shift difference. They showed why they are stuck on the graveyard shift. Of course, I'm taking it way too seriously. It's all in good fun. The production value in this was amazing. __________________ "Tranya is people!"