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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old September 27 2012, 05:46 PM   #46
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Re: Anyone Find Generations "Saucer crash" to be poorly done?

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You're correct in that they should have checked his visor because it had been tampered with in the past, but they still didn't know for a fact that it had been tampered with. I had always surmised that his visor was taken away so Geordi simply wouldn't be able to see not that Soran was going to tamper with it. I mean in the movie Soran tells the Klingons to "eliminate them." At that point, I don't see why Soran would have tampered with the visor just to then destroy the enterprise if that old bird of prey could. To me, he seemed generally interested in the visor as a doctor so he studied it to see how it works...etc but at the last moment, he decided to do whatever it is he did with it, then send Geordi back. But again you are very spot on. They really should have checked it. I do stand corrected.
Oh, I agree that they wouldn't necessarily assume someone had tampered with it. Geordi obviously thought that Soran had just taken the VISOR to deprive him of his sight as a part of torturing him. The only thing that sort of hints that they've done something to the VISOR was when Soran says to the Duras sisters, "I think it's time we gave Mr. LaForge his sight back." But, of course, that's just very vague foreshadowing to us in the audience and not something Geordi heard.

My point was just that given what happened in "The Mind's Eye," I'd think they'd have protocols in place to be extra super careful about Geordi's VISOR. Like scanning it everytime he's been off the ship. Or at least scanning it each time it's been in someone else's hands. We could argue that perhaps Geordi just didn't think to mention to anyone that Soran had taken his VISOR for a while, but again you'd think that after what happened before, he'd be instructed to always report something like that.

Bottom line, I can't think of any way to justify them NOT checking his VISOR other than that somebody got careless.
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Old October 10 2012, 03:07 AM   #47
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Re: Anyone Find Generations "Saucer crash" to be poorly done?

It's been a while since I've watched it, so I may be shaky on some of the details. I always figured/rationalized that the people being moved around during the crash were not actually moving from the stardrive section (not all of them, anyway. And not the children) but were being moved to designated "disaster locations" where people could be accounted for, to reduce the risk of people being trapped somewhere, unable to call for help, or some other such contingency.
I don't remembeer if t he canon of the film contradicts this possibility, but it worked for me.
And, yes, I always cringe at the whole little girl losing the teddy bear thing. Just one of the worst moments in all of Trek.

I'm also not too happy that the conn and ops consoles on the bridge go flying, instead of being attached to the floor.
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Old October 11 2012, 01:19 PM   #48
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Re: Anyone Find Generations "Saucer crash" to be poorly done?

I remember this in the theater, the sheer mass they managed to convey as the saucer slowly dumps its inertia. I thought the effect was very well done.

Upon rewatching on the small screen, it is obviously a model. Okay. So are the ships in "Sink the Bismarck." Doesn't keep the battle scenes from being awesome. I'm left with only one complaint: the friggin' windows. Gods! Really? Even if the transparent aluminum is normally bolstered by SIFs that failed, aluminum just don't fail by shattering like sugar crystal. That was the one thing that slammed me back to my seat in the theater rather than keeping me there on Veridian III. They managed to over ride my willing suspension of disbelief.

Oh, well.....
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Old October 11 2012, 01:54 PM   #49
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I thought it still held up very well the last time I watched it on Blu ray. Unlike the ILM shot reused countless time throughout the TV seriess. The one that had been blown up and dropped in before the Stellar Cartography scene.

Although my opinion of that might now be coloured by the lavish detail, HD remastering of TNG has managed to pull from that footage.
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Old October 11 2012, 06:59 PM   #50
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it looked like a frisbee over a mini golf course
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Old October 13 2012, 05:39 PM   #51
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Re: Anyone Find Generations "Saucer crash" to be poorly done?

I think the saucer crash is one of the great events of the Trek movies. I think it's aged well. I love the interior shots. It looks really frightening. I like this moment in particular. http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...ionshd1484.jpg
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Old October 14 2012, 03:14 PM   #52
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^ Agreed, though even with that dramatic shot, I can't help but be reminded of my biggest issue with Generations... What the heck is up with the lighting?
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Old October 14 2012, 07:51 PM   #53
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I can't help but be reminded of my biggest issue with Generations... What the heck is up with the lighting?
It's the new alert level, one step below yellow alert, "something's afoot".

Aside from a half second where I'm reminded it's one big model being dragged along, the whole thing looks so well. You really get a sense of a lot of mass plummeting towards the planet surface about to receive one heck of a thump. The only other scene I can think of like it in Trek was the shot in DS9 of Sisko's captured Jem Hadar ship spinning toward's a planet below.

The window above the bridge cracking was a bit odd though, like the view screen in the 09 movie turning out to be an actual window with a HUD-style overlay.
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Old October 14 2012, 07:59 PM   #54
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It's the new alert level, one step below yellow alert, "something's afoot".
Okay, I must admit... I did actually laugh out loud at that.

But I agree with you on the scene overall. I still think it looks great.
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Old October 14 2012, 08:14 PM   #55
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Loved the saucer crash.

As for the breaking windows, who says they weren't actually glass, made diamond-hard by those magic invisible fields that hold Trek ships together, which failed during the crash?
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Old October 14 2012, 09:29 PM   #56
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The window above the bridge cracking was a bit odd though, like the view screen in the 09 movie turning out to be an actual window with a HUD-style overlay.
I had no problem with the nuTrek viewscreen being an actual window... it actually makes a ton of sense.
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Old October 15 2012, 02:40 AM   #57
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Re: Anyone Find Generations "Saucer crash" to be poorly done?

On the one hand, I can see the logic of not having any actual windows on the bridge. It would provide an area of vulnerability during an attack and, I suppose, if just an ordinary glass window would also let people from the outside, y'know, see in.

OTOH, I can see not having any windows as a potential problem as well. If the sensors go offline, the people on the bridge can't see anything outside. Remember in "Brothers" when Riker said the only way they knew they'd dropped out of warp was by looking out a window? You couldn't do that on the bridge. Well, okay, on the Enterprise-D you have the big dome in the ceiling, but not on any other Enterprise.
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Old October 16 2012, 12:12 AM   #58
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Re: Anyone Find Generations "Saucer crash" to be poorly done?

I liked the saucer crash-seeing the saucer in daylight was a shock--I didn't realise what colours the ship really was. My only nit was when everyone slid forward in the bridge why didn't they crash through the vew screen? My other thought is that since most of a Trek movie(pre JJ) budget is used up paying actors SPX shots are the first to be trimmed or left out--they did the best job they could using models
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Old October 16 2012, 12:37 AM   #59
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The window above the bridge cracking was a bit odd though, like the view screen in the 09 movie turning out to be an actual window with a HUD-style overlay.
I had no problem with the nuTrek viewscreen being an actual window... it actually makes a ton of sense.
How so?
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Old October 16 2012, 07:30 AM   #60
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The window above the bridge cracking was a bit odd though, like the view screen in the 09 movie turning out to be an actual window with a HUD-style overlay.
I had no problem with the nuTrek viewscreen being an actual window... it actually makes a ton of sense.
How so?
As Cove said, windows make sense for the simple fact of seeing what's going on outside. If you entirely relied on the viewscreen, you are blind or reliant on sensors when it is inoperative. Plus, an overlay of data is quite simple to accomplish on an actual window, allowing you to multitask. Why else would the Star Trek "viewscreens" be literal 10 foot tall projections of whatever it is you're looking at? You could simply get away with a little 17" panel at the captain's chair (which incidentally, a lot of times is the view we get from other captains when they are fullscreen on the viewscreen).

As ST:FC shows, when the screen is off you're looking at a stupid blank wall. As ST:NEM shows, when the front of the bridge has been blown out by damage, you've got a pretty damn good view of whatever the starship is pointed at.
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