Speculation: Must the villain be Gary Mitchell, or... ?

los2188 · October 15 2012, 08:24 PM

I recently saw the, what I assume is a legit "Into Darkness" poster with Cumberbatch on it, so it piqued my interest a little bit. When it comes to TOS TV episodes I am certainly a fan, but it's been YEARS....at least a good 20 years since I've actually sat down and watched them all because I was so into the TOS movies and then TNG era stuff. So I looked into and read about Gary Mitchell. Now I've read some things here and there about the villain being Gary Mitchell, but after reading it, I can't see how anyone could think otherwise. I mean am I crazy, wrong, or just....whatever, but is there honestly anyone else that it could be? I know Khan's been suggested, which I would really hate, and even I posed the question of it being Kirk's brother, but with everything I read about him, the Academy, bad feelings, and super-human like powers...I don't see how it couldn't be Gary Mitchell. Am I missing any other possible villain?

DonIago · October 15 2012, 09:09 PM

Why assume it's someone we've seen before?

Also, some folks really don't want to know who may or may not be in the movie. A less specific thread title might be appreciated.

M'Sharak · October 15 2012, 09:22 PM

los2188 wrote:

I recently saw the, what I assume is a legit "Into Darkness" poster with Cumberbatch on it, so it piqued my interest a little bit.

This poster? It's fan art - something made from what looks like the same image seen on a Cumberbatch wallpaper here. We've had a couple of threads about it already.

Therin of Andor · October 15 2012, 09:55 PM

los2188 wrote:

Am I missing any other possible villain?

Every shapeshifting/magic alien we've ever seen. Trelane (who also resembles Koloth!), Captain Garth, the Talosians... and many more.

los2188 · October 15 2012, 10:59 PM

Therin of Andor wrote:

los2188 wrote:

Am I missing any other possible villain?

Every shapeshifting/magic alien we've ever seen. Trelane (who also resembles Koloth!), Captain Garth, the Talosians... and many more.

Very true. Good point. I don't know...just from what I've read about Gary Mitchell....it just...I don't know....feels right. It seems like a "cool and hip" JJ Abrams kind of story to me, but as my thread title says, it's just speculation of course. Looks like I need to go back to Trek TOS TV class. I'm going to watch all of them. Can you tell me....what are your top 10 favourite TOS episodes. I might watch them first...

Greg Cox · October 15 2012, 11:07 PM

Yeah, I'm not sure why everybody is so convinced that they're bringing back an old villain. KHAN was really the only TOS film that did that, unless you count the Borg in FIRST CONTACT and even there they introduced a new villain in the form of Alice Krige.

Maybe (gasp!) it's new plot with a new antagonist.

los2188 · October 15 2012, 11:20 PM

Greg Cox wrote:

Yeah, I'm not sure why everybody is so convinced that they're bringing back an old villain. KHAN was really the only TOS film that did that, unless you count the Borg in FIRST CONTACT and even there they introduced a new villain in the form of Alice Krige.

Maybe (gasp!) it's new plot with a new antagonist.

I REALLY hope you're right. I would love to see a new bad guy. Khan was great, but that's done and over. Leave it alone. Gary Mitchell???? Meh.

BillJ · October 16 2012, 01:18 AM

Greg Cox wrote:

Yeah, I'm not sure why everybody is so convinced that they're bringing back an old villain. KHAN was really the only TOS film that did that, unless you count the Borg in FIRST CONTACT and even there they introduced a new villain in the form of Alice Krige.

Maybe (gasp!) it's new plot with a new antagonist.

I thought Orci had said the villain was a character we've seen from TOS?

Dukhat · October 16 2012, 02:31 AM

If the villain is portrayed well, then who cares whether it's Mitchell, Khan, or the Tribble Emperor?

It's not the character that counts, it's what is done with that character.

Kruezerman · October 16 2012, 02:42 AM

Dukhat wrote:

If the villain is portrayed well, then who cares whether it's Mitchell, Khan, or the Tribble Emperor?

It's not the character that counts, it's what is done with that character.

What are you, mad? We can't have logic and reason here!

PPatters · October 16 2012, 03:25 AM

BillJ wrote:

I thought Orci had said the villain was a character we've seen from TOS?

Whether or not he was being honest, he had said specifically that Cumberbatch was portraying a character already established in canon. Though that could mean any numbers of things.

UFO · October 16 2012, 04:21 AM

Dukhat wrote:

If the villain is portrayed well, then who cares whether it's Mitchell, Khan, or the Tribble Emperor?

Now you know that the Tribble Emperor will open up as big a can of worms as the Borg Queen. Bigger maybe! It does have a nice ring to it though ...

teacake · October 16 2012, 05:01 AM

"My PEOPLE are my weapons! We shall suffocate your eco-systems!! Bow before our mighty multiplying!!"

Set Harth · October 16 2012, 05:31 AM

It's a mixture of Mitchell and Khan created by a transporter accident.

Mitchellkhan.

teacake · October 16 2012, 06:50 AM

Wow Set, that brings up so many possibilities.. and frees the casting up quite a bit!

October 15 2012, 08:24 PM	#1
los2188 Commander Location: North Carolina	Speculation: Must the villain be Gary Mitchell, or... ? I recently saw the, what I assume is a legit "Into Darkness" poster with Cumberbatch on it, so it piqued my interest a little bit. When it comes to TOS TV episodes I am certainly a fan, but it's been YEARS....at least a good 20 years since I've actually sat down and watched them all because I was so into the TOS movies and then TNG era stuff. So I looked into and read about Gary Mitchell. Now I've read some things here and there about the villain being Gary Mitchell, but after reading it, I can't see how anyone could think otherwise. I mean am I crazy, wrong, or just....whatever, but is there honestly anyone else that it could be? I know Khan's been suggested, which I would really hate, and even I posed the question of it being Kirk's brother, but with everything I read about him, the Academy, bad feelings, and super-human like powers...I don't see how it couldn't be Gary Mitchell. Am I missing any other possible villain? __________________ Darling, you remain as aesthetically pleasing as the first day we met. I believe I am the most fortunate sentient in this sector of the galaxy.

October 15 2012, 09:09 PM	#2
DonIago Rear Admiral Location: Burlington, VT, USA	Re: Speculation: Must the villain be Gary Mitchell, or... ? Why assume it's someone we've seen before? Also, some folks really don't want to know who may or may not be in the movie. A less specific thread title might be appreciated. __________________ --DonIago It was the best of Trek, it was the worst of Trek... "If I lean over, I leave myself open to wedgies, wet willies, or even the dreaded Rear Admiral!" Last edited by M'Sharak; October 15 2012 at 09:24 PM.

October 15 2012, 11:07 PM	#6
Greg Cox Vice Admiral Location: Oxford, PA	Re: Speculation: Must the villain be Gary Mitchell, or... ? Yeah, I'm not sure why everybody is so convinced that they're bringing back an old villain. KHAN was really the only TOS film that did that, unless you count the Borg in FIRST CONTACT and even there they introduced a new villain in the form of Alice Krige. Maybe (gasp!) it's new plot with a new antagonist. __________________ www.gregcox-author.com

October 16 2012, 02:31 AM	#9
Dukhat Commodore Location: Baltimore, MD	Re: Speculation: Must the villain be Gary Mitchell, or... ? If the villain is portrayed well, then who cares whether it's Mitchell, Khan, or the Tribble Emperor? It's not the character that counts, it's what is done with that character. __________________ I never make mistrakes.

October 16 2012, 05:01 AM	#13
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October 16 2012, 05:31 AM	#14
Set Harth Commodore Location: Ekkaia	Re: Speculation: Must the villain be Gary Mitchell, or... ? It's a mixture of Mitchell and Khan created by a transporter accident. Mitchellkhan. __________________ Are you casting aspersions on my asparagus?

October 16 2012, 06:50 AM	#15
teacake Admiral Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.	Re: Speculation: Must the villain be Gary Mitchell, or... ? Wow Set, that brings up so many possibilities.. and frees the casting up quite a bit! __________________ Rider: I can't believe you'd kill me for a field of empty holes. J'onn: It's all I have. ■ ■ ■ Janeway does Melbourne