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View Poll Results: Rate The Eternal Tide.
Outstanding 82 49.40%
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Average 27 16.27%
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Old October 11 2012, 02:46 PM   #466
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Re: VOY: The Eternal Tide by Kirsten Beyer Review Thread (Spoilers!)

Kirsten, you know how you the old saying goes- You can please some of the nerds all of the time and you can please all of the nerds some of the time.

Keep doing quality work and you have no shortage of fans.
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Old October 11 2012, 04:16 PM   #467
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JWolf...thanks for that. Really nice to hear. The "awesomness" I was referring to was not so much the praise, though it is always appreciated, but more the surprising things that often come up in these discussions. It reminds me of how many different ways there are to look at a thing and is incredibly refreshing when I've spent too long buried in an outline or manuscript.

And Enterpriserules...yes, I read your review and was delighted that some of the more metaphysical aspects of the story worked for you. It can be a tough line to walk and I think a lot of people aren't comfortable going there. It's supposed to be "science" fiction after all. But in this case, given where we started and where we had to go, the spiritual aspects kept resonating so I decided to trust it. It's not something that every story calls for, but it is an aspect of humanity that I find every bit as interesting and worthy of exploration as any other if the context is appropriate and it serves the story.

Everybody else...

We all knew before this book came out that there were a number of people on the planet who could not, under any circumstances, be moved to read a Voyager book that did not feature a living, breathing Kathryn Janeway. In fact, we've met many of them over the past few years. It should not, then, surprise you that now, there will be a number of people who, likewise, are not inclined to read stories that do feature a living, breathing Kathryn Janeway. For any number of reasons. It's a fair choice to make and any effort to disuade them is not likely meet with much success.

I knew this going in. I'm okay with it. Everyone has a right to spend their money, or much more valuable time only on those things they believe will entertain or satisfy them as readers. At the end of the day, the reasons why this story was written don't matter. The story works or doesn't work on its merits for any given reader. Full stop.

I spent a lot of time in the past trying to explain the reasons we were exploring Janeway's death to those who were angered by it, and it never made the slightest bit of difference. In fact, my efforts tended to further alienate those individuals. They formed opinions of me that bear absolutely no resemblence to the genuine article, and usually decided that I was simply lying to them, or playing politics.

What I learned through that process was that no amount of explanation or justification or defense of my position was a worthwhile way to spend my time, because it changed nothing. So now I find myself facing a new group of disappointed people who I have already angered by writing what I have. And all I know is that to try and defend myself or justify my choices would be equally meaningless.

I am content to let those who are unhappy or angry or disappointed say what they need to say. The usernames may not be the same. But the perspective isn't anything I haven't seen before. Nothing I can tell you about why I made the choices I did is going to make the story work better for you.

And who knows...maybe as the story continues, current objections might seem less objectionable, and current fears may be allayed.

Or not.

Either way...understand that when I send a story out into the world, I hope that it will be met in the spirit in which it was intended but I am not permitted to be surprised when it isn't. That part is out of my control. The best I can hope for might be a little faith, even from those I have disappointed, particularly when I had managed to grudingly earn it in the past. I've learned again over these past few weeks, that in some cases, this is just too much to ask. When people feel angry, or wronged, or that their trust has been broken, they can often be unkind. But I sleep just fine at night, knowing that I have done what I can to keep this story and series alive and compelling. And that nothing I have planned for the future is anything we've seen before. I write these stories from a place of deep love and respect for the characters and their journeys and always with the hope that following the character's adventures will bring the readers something they can't find anywhere else. I think most of my readers sense that, even when they don't understand all of my choices. And to those that don't...

Peace and long life.

Kirsten
I really appreciate you taking the time to read my review of your book and responding to me. Thank you for your kind words.
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Old October 11 2012, 08:13 PM   #468
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(snip)

And who knows...maybe as the story continues, current objections might seem less objectionable, and current fears may be allayed.

(snip)
Here's what my favourite part of all this was.
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Old October 12 2012, 06:56 AM   #469
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I HAVE FINISHED IT.

An excellent and fast paced story with a multitude of diverse characters and perspectives written in very convincing voices. I particularly enjoyed the Q's. I'm also very happy we've seen the last of the baby messiah storyline! I'm looking fwd to quite a few things in the next novel.. finding out possibly what happened to all the people trapped in Omega. Icheb (yay Icheb!) being on board. 7 and Cambridge, that's a fantastic relationship and as a devoted 7 fan I'm super pleased about it. And of course Janeway, Janeway and MORE JANEWAY.
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Old October 12 2012, 02:26 PM   #470
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I'm looking fwd to quite a few things in the next novel.. finding out possibly what happened to all the people trapped in Omega.
They died.
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Old October 12 2012, 11:15 PM   #471
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I'm looking fwd to quite a few things in the next novel.. finding out possibly what happened to all the people trapped in Omega.
They died.
Yeah. All dead. Kirsten said it upthread I believe.
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Old October 12 2012, 11:28 PM   #472
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Oh.

So that's 63 billion and how many?
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Old October 13 2012, 12:14 AM   #473
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Was disappointed to see the ships destroyed as I liked the idea of the fleet of ships so I hope that dynamic is restored soon
Maybe from a story telling perspective, keeping track of so many ships and their crews becomes convoluted, so it's easier to "scale down" the fleet.
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Old October 13 2012, 01:03 AM   #474
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Let them die!

Oh wait, that's Kirk.
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Old October 14 2012, 02:00 PM   #475
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Finished the book yesterday night.

Basically, it was great (though the opening duology of Full Circle and Unworthy can't be beat, VOY-wise ) – very exciting and insightful.

TET is a worthy "finale" for Kirsten's 1st VOY arc, tying up the main plotline of Eden's origin, along with showcasing the aftermath of the Destiny trilogy from other facets than the UFP's hardship or the political angle.

All in all, though I thought otherwise, I won’t miss the next VOY novel by Kirsten.

Well played, Madam
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Old October 15 2012, 02:50 AM   #476
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Finished the book yesterday night.

Basically, it was great (though the opening duology of Full Circle and Unworthy can't be beat, VOY-wise ) – very exciting and insightful.

TET is a worthy "finale" for Kirsten's 1st VOY arc, tying up the main plotline of Eden's origin, along with showcasing the aftermath of the Destiny trilogy from other facets than the UFP's hardship or the political angle.

All in all, though I thought otherwise, I won’t miss the next VOY novel by Kirsten.

Well played, Madam
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Old October 15 2012, 04:37 AM   #477
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Does TET deal with Meegan at all?
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Old October 15 2012, 06:46 AM   #478
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So that's 63 billion and how many?
Seven hundred and ninety five.

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Well played, Madam
Glad to have you back. Or not gone. Either way...

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Does TET deal with Meegan at all?
Really really really briefly. That story remains to be told.

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Old October 15 2012, 07:37 AM   #479
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I gotta say, I'm glad the Klingon Messiah storyline is finished. Bit confused as to what actually happened to them all.. but glad to see the back of that one.

<--that's just for Janeway being back!!
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Old October 15 2012, 09:02 AM   #480
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Well played, Madam
Glad to have you back. Or not gone. Either way...
What can I say - I couldn't stay away

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Does TET deal with Meegan at all?
Really really really briefly. That story remains to be told.
I was wondering what was up with Meegan - hope this is covered in the 2014 (!) novel
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