Those little details you miss

[RPJOB]

Timo wrote:

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...Curiously, the other window shows a wall with a grillework that closely matches that on the interior set. Which is good continuity, but the grille in the set is rather down low, below shoulder level, suggesting that the guy peeking out is crouching deep down, or a dwarf!

The apparent floor level indicated by the docking port establishes this already anyway. What was Probert thinking, placing these portholes so low in relation to the doors? Perhaps he assumed that the interior set would have stairs not unlike those found in the "topside docking port" set through which Spock enters?

Timo Saloniemi

They appear to be in a separate space, perhaps between the hulls. Makes you wonder why there's the portholes there and what exactly in in that space. And how do you get in and out of it anyway.

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[Tribble puncher]

The klingon ships torpedoes are MASSIVE, if those are in fact two rows of windows on either side of the torp launcher, then it looks as if the torpedo would be 3-4 decks high.

[Therin of Andor]

alpha_leonis wrote:

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You only see (him?) for a split second as the ship is exploding. I'd never noticed before.

Isn't it kind of odd to spend all the time it takes on alien makeup for that actor, only to show the character for less than a second as he's about to die?

There would have been some lingering looks at the ship/crew not ultimately chosen by the editor, along with dropped footage of Valkris removing her silver headcloth (see the kids' picture book version) to her shock reveal of Klingon features.

The fish-like alien was featured in publicity pics and is also featured in the DC Comics adaptation. His over-the-head latex mask would have eliminated any chance of dialogue, so he was always intended to be a minor character.

KingDaniel wrote:

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Is that really meant to be a Deltan? I've always wondered about Mr. Conehead.

I believe there are interviews with the makeup crew that confirm that ST IV alien - female!, IIRC - was originally intended to suggest a Deltan.

Ditto the bald aliens in the ST III bar - I read a quote that said "These were our Deltans".

According to the script of ST II, Jedda was a Deltan, too, but they were deliberately avoiding callbacks to TMP, so there was no reason to force the actor, John Vargas, to shave his head.

On another matter, have you ever run the Spock mindmeld from TMP on slow speed? You'll see flashes of many images, including Ilia's face and the NASA introduction-to-Earth plaque that was used on several real space probes.

In ST II, there is Academy signage (sold in the It's a Wrap! eBay auctions) that indicates that Lt Xon, an unused character created for "Phase II", has an office there.

[Hando]

I had fun with "The Undiscovered Country", as I paid attention to the time shown on the digital clocks at the Enterprise's bridge.

[RapidNadion]

Hando wrote:

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I had fun with "The Undiscovered Country", as I paid attention to the time shown on the digital clocks at the Enterprise's bridge.

Sorry for the bump, but I had to agree with this. Every time I watch TUC I think about what an absolute nightmare all those clocks must've been for the continuity people on set.

[Timo]

...What I found particularly fascinating was how Spock called every third second in the countdown. That's an alien thing to do - humans, at least from the western civilization where the base ten system runs deep, would more probably call every second or every fifth second.

Not that the supposed humans did any "better": the later increments in the countdown were completely random (57, 53, 48, 44)... That's not how you're supposed to do a countdown, unless your point is to drive the listener mad with anxiety and uncertainty.

Timo Saloniemi

[Ian Keldon]

KingDaniel wrote:

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This one-second flash from a JJ Abrams movie highlight reel during an interview a few months ago (done right after they wrapped filming) is NOT from the STXI deleted scenes:

Yeah, the background is different and the pose is slightly different.

Anyways, it's confirmed through other sources:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z2nY...layer_embedded

[R. Star]

The Castellan wrote:

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I just say the ship was haunted, or something.

Well as many Redshirts that have died on that ship....

[MacLeod]

Timo wrote:

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How? There's no door!

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Timo Saloniemi

well we don't see the fourth side, or perhaps there is a ladder from another deck.

[Timewalker]

KingDaniel wrote:

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The ultimate example is STXI's Rura Penthe scenes, which featured dozens of elaborate aliens (including new-look Klingons, a Gorn, a Salt Vampire and a freaky guy with three faces) only to be left on the cutting room floor.
At least the new look Klingons are being reused in the next movie.

There was a Salt Vampire in Rura Penthe? In the eleventh movie??? WTF?

Salt Vampires went extinct in "The Man Trap."

MacLeod wrote:

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well we don't see the fourth side, or perhaps there is a ladder from another deck.

Maybe it's the creepy guy who terrorized William Shatner in that Twilight Zone episode.

[King Daniel]

Timewalker wrote:

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There was a Salt Vampire in Rura Penthe? In the eleventh movie??? WTF?

Salt Vampires went extinct in "The Man Trap."

Yep. Although there extinct-ness wasn't exactly set in stone (IIRC, we only had the word of one crazy guy to go on), and STXI's rura penthe scenes were set several years prior to TOS anyway.
Here's a comparison pic:

[Therin of Andor]

KingDaniel wrote:

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Yep. Although there extinct-ness wasn't exactly set in stone (IIRC, we only had the word of one crazy guy to go on), and STXI's rura penthe scenes were set several years prior to TOS anyway.

Yep. Trelane, the Squire of Gothos, had a stuffed one on display, too, so they may also exist off-world.

and a freaky guy with three faces

He appears in some IDW comic tie-ins.

[Timo]

Trelane, the Squire of Gothos, had a stuffed one on display, too, so they may also exist off-world.

Or the species might originate from some other world entirely, and be unrelated to the extinct culture of M-113 - except for possibly being the cause of the extinction...

In any case, the timeline of extinction is quite vague, but a single individual surviving is probably very good indication that multiple individuals were alive one generation ago. Do Salt Vampires have centuries-long generations?

Timo Saloniemi

[chopperjockey]

Re: Those little details you miss

Just saw VI again, Undiscovered Country...
Any body know how the sniper at Camp Kidimar could see his target through his scope? The hole in the glass was only big enough to take the barrel!

[sbk1234]

LIke a camera where you see through the lense, the scope sees through the barrel.