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Old October 12 2012, 01:37 PM   #31
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Re: Brothers and the Battle Bridge

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Now if Data had somehow been taken over by Romulans and the ship on a direct course for the Neutral Zone, Picard would probably have had Geordi, manually cut power to the antimatter containment field and destroy the ship.
And you call my idea overkill? In your scenario they haven't even reached the neutral zone, why not kill Data first and try to save the rest of the crew before you blow up the entire ship.

The donut saucer is a funny image, but you don't have to do that much damage, just enough to blow up decks 1, 2 and parts of 3 and probably 4.

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Is that a serious question? Blow a big hole in the Enterprise and kill a highly-valued crewman when the ship is in no immediate danger (and, in fact, was never in danger at all)?
Screw the highly valued crewman, even if he's Data, if he kidnaps the ship, looks everyone else out and goes on a mission to do god knows what his death is acceptable after all other options failed.
That the ship was never in any danger at all is irrelevant, you only know that after the fact so it cannot factor into the decision what to do.

Any captain who would even consider that shouldn't be in command of anything but a garbage scow.
I could say the same thing about a captain who twiddles his thumps and takes the wait and see approach while his armed to the the teeth ship is under the control of a single person who apparently snapped or his under the control of an outside person and refuses to even talk to anyone.

Who cares about the locked out computer, that's just a minor inconvenience. After the bridge is destroyed unplug the computer and shut down the warp drive manually. Then try to get rid of the lock out somehow, worst case scenario, delete everything and reinstall, that's what they did when they caught the iconian computer virus, so we know it's possible.
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Old October 12 2012, 02:18 PM   #32
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his death is acceptable after all other options failed
I don't see the hurry. The heroes could try out fifty different tricks before having to resort to something as idiotic as shooting themselves in the foot with a photon torpedo.

It's not as if

a) Data is doing anything directly threatening,
b) the heroes are out of things to try,
c) the child needing medical care would be minutes away from dying, or
d) whatever Data is doing would threaten to drag on for an excessively long time.

While Data just flies the ship forward, negating fear a), the heroes try out three or four perfectly sensible tricks, demonstrating fear b) to be unnecessary, and tend to the child in a way that shows fear c) not to exist, at which point Data takes the ship out of warp and negates fear d). At that point, taking control of the ship ceases to be a priority, and intercepting the newly mobile Data becomes the issue. Shooting photon torpedoes at him never is a viable or sensible option.

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Old October 12 2012, 08:33 PM   #33
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Re: Brothers and the Battle Bridge

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Now if Data had somehow been taken over by Romulans and the ship on a direct course for the Neutral Zone, Picard would probably have had Geordi, manually cut power to the antimatter containment field and destroy the ship.
And you call my idea overkill? In your scenario they haven't even reached the neutral zone, why not kill Data first and try to save the rest of the crew before you blow up the entire ship.

The donut saucer is a funny image, but you don't have to do that much damage, just enough to blow up decks 1, 2 and parts of 3 and probably 4.
Once the big hole is blown in the ship, there is still the lockout code to deal with. While the ship is at warp it's probably not a good time to shut off the computer and reinstall it's programming. And if the ship were on a direct path to the Romulan Neutral Zone, there is no telling how many Warbirds are waiting for it. Warbirds that may have been traveling for weeks or months to avoid the sensors that monitor the Neutral Zone..

They tried to regain control, they couldn't. Blowing a hole in the ship or shutting off the main computer while at high warp is not a good idea in any event.

So if they are heading towards Romulus, and they have tried to regain control, the only option left to keep the ship out of Romulan hands is to destroy it.
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Old October 13 2012, 02:05 AM   #34
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I think the point, though, is that the situation need only be escalated when necessary. If they determined the Enterprise was barreling down on Romulus, a Romulan ship, a Vulcan science ship, or was a danger, I'm certain Picard would have ordered any action necessary to safeguard lives, treaties, or whatever. There simply was no need, at any point during the episode, to blow up the ship or blow up Data --- and that's not hindsight -- that's the decision making process of the commanding officer of the ship. Picard continually assessed the situation and adjusted his decisions accordingly, including factoring in the life of the kid in sickbay. The fact is, they weren't heading to the Neutral Zone, the weapons weren't armed, and no one in the ship was in immediate danger. All facts known at the time. When the facts change, Picard's decisions will adjust accordingly.

If it came to it, Picard would have done what he had to do to regain control of the ship. Picard's not the type (in the series) to make rash decisions. He's calculating and patient.

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Who cares about the locked out computer, that's just a minor inconvenience. After the bridge is destroyed unplug the computer and shut down the warp drive manually. Then try to get rid of the lock out somehow, worst case scenario, delete everything and reinstall, that's what they did when they caught the iconian computer virus, so we know it's possible.
Geordi: We got a problem, Captain.
Picard: Report.
Wesley (the boy): The restore disks. They're for LCARS 2364.
Picard: Explain.
Geordi: When we were at McKinley Station, they upgraded us to LCARS 2366 Service Pack 1.
Wesley: We have to restore to LCARS 64, then download the updates.
Riker: So what's the problem?
Geordi: Data changed the app store password too.
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Old October 13 2012, 05:16 AM   #35
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There simply was no need, at any point during the episode, to blow up the ship or blow up Data --- and that's not hindsight -- that's the decision making process of the commanding officer of the ship.
Exactly.

Also, from the perspective of a professional writer, having your main character (Picard) kill a beloved supporting character who hasn't actually harmed anyone and was not acting of his own volition would be suicide for the show. Generally, as writers, we try to avoid doing things that will make a large percentage of our fanbase evaporate, lol.


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: We got a problem, Captain.
Picard: Report.
Wesley (the boy): The restore disks. They're for LCARS 2364.
Picard: Explain.
Geordi: When we were at McKinley Station, they upgraded us to LCARS 2366 Service Pack 1.
Wesley: We have to restore to LCARS 64, then download the updates.
Riker: So what's the problem?
Geordi: Data changed the app store password too.
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Old October 13 2012, 05:33 AM   #36
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Every time I've seen them go to the Battle Bridge, they were actually battling someone/thing. They'd do the separation and take on the enemy in two sections. I think in Brothers because it was just a simple evacuation, they thought nothing of it.
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