What happens if someone from the past shows up... - Page 2

JRoss · October 8 2012, 07:54 AM

Hard to classify something as a crime when you're dealing with the man who codified the law.

I know that this is way off-topic, but please, people, go read Genghis Khan, Emperor of All Men by Harold Lamb, and also March of the Barbarians by the same author.

Greg Cox · October 8 2012, 05:26 PM

Plus, of course, they broke into a high-security NASA installation, and aided and abetted in the destruction of an orbiting weapons platform.

And then there was the time they destroyed a U.S. fighter jet with their tractor beam . . . . .

BritishSeaPower · October 8 2012, 05:45 PM

And they kidnapped those whales.

Markonian · October 8 2012, 06:54 PM

There may be an actual case in ST: B. Rasmussen.
He committed a crime in the past and was stranded in the future by Starfleet, and prosecuted. He was treated as criminal in Indistinguishable from Magic.

Christopher · October 8 2012, 07:16 PM

^Well, technically I think Rasmussen was prosecuted for the crimes he committed in the 24th century, i.e. stealing a bunch of Starfleet equipment, trying to kidnap Data, and attempted erasure of the entire timeline.

I'm not sure it would be practical to try someone for crimes committed centuries ago, since there'd be no surviving witnesses to testify (unless, say, a young Vulcan had been present during Rasmussen's theft of the time pod). There'd also be little intact evidence to build a case on.

Pavonis · October 9 2012, 12:40 AM

Timewalker wrote:

...Spock stole tools...

As I recall, Spock specifically told Edith he was only borrowing the tools for the night.

While I don't hold to the view that Vulcans don't or can't lie, I'm inclined to think that Spock was telling the truth in this case.

Dream · October 9 2012, 12:52 AM

Greg Cox wrote:

My understanding is that we ditch them on Ceti Alpha V . . ..

Christopher · October 9 2012, 12:55 AM

Pavonis wrote:

Timewalker wrote:

...Spock stole tools...

As I recall, Spock specifically told Edith he was only borrowing the tools for the night.

While I don't hold to the view that Vulcans don't or can't lie, I'm inclined to think that Spock was telling the truth in this case.

I'm pretty sure taking something without permission still counts as theft even if you give it back.

xortex · October 10 2012, 12:53 AM

Timewalker wrote:

Greg Cox wrote:

Timewalker wrote:

Poor Chekov (et al.).

Just think of all the jaywalking and trespassing they did back in 20th century San Francisco! McCoy even impersonated a doctor (sort of)! And what about Gillian Taylor? Did she ever have parking tickets? Did she shoplift a chocolate bar when she was a little kid?

Damn, you're cruel to your characters.

And I hear Kirk let some poor woman be hit a truck. Surely that qualifies as negligent homicide or something . . .

Also, Kirk and Spock stole clothes, assaulted a police officer, Spock stole tools... At least McCoy losing his phaser didn't matter this time, since it was disintegrated along with the bum.

But it's totally McCoy's fault that all that milk and broken glass ended up on the street. I don't blame the bum for being scared and dropping it; how else would somebody feel when a raving lunatic suddenly appears out of thin air?

I never realized what a degenerate bunch of people my favorite crew is!

And something worse happened, didn't it? They cancelled Star Trek and put on lost in Space or whatever.

Lonemagpie · October 10 2012, 09:34 PM

Christopher wrote:

^Well, technically I think Rasmussen was prosecuted for the crimes he committed in the 24th century, i.e. stealing a bunch of Starfleet equipment, trying to kidnap Data, and attempted erasure of the entire timeline.

This is correct.

Nerys Myk · October 11 2012, 06:46 AM

xortex wrote:

And something worse happened, didn't it? They cancelled Star Trek and put on lost in Space or whatever.

Lost in Space started before Star Trek and was canceled a year before Star Trek was.

xortex · October 11 2012, 12:53 PM

Zombie Cheerleader wrote:

xortex wrote:

And something worse happened, didn't it? They cancelled Star Trek and put on lost in Space or whatever.

Lost in Space started before Star Trek and was canceled a year before Star Trek was.

Damn that Rasmussin.

JD · October 12 2012, 01:03 AM

That's why I always check my facts before posting something like that.

Drago-Kazov · October 12 2012, 08:13 AM

What happens if somebody commits crimes in an alternate reality and there are witnesses and video footage?

Nerys Myk · October 13 2012, 06:17 PM

Contact law enforcement in that reality and turn over the evidence to them.

October 8 2012, 07:54 AM	#16
JRoss Captain Location: Stain'd-by-the-Sea	Re: What happens if someone from the past shows up... Hard to classify something as a crime when you're dealing with the man who codified the law. I know that this is way off-topic, but please, people, go read Genghis Khan, Emperor of All Men by Harold Lamb, and also March of the Barbarians by the same author. __________________ I am a leaf on the wind. Fun times.

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Greg Cox Vice Admiral Location: Oxford, PA	Re: What happens if someone from the past shows up... Plus, of course, they broke into a high-security NASA installation, and aided and abetted in the destruction of an orbiting weapons platform. And then there was the time they destroyed a U.S. fighter jet with their tractor beam . . . . . __________________ www.gregcox-author.com

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BritishSeaPower Commander Location: New Jersey	Re: What happens if someone from the past shows up... And they kidnapped those whales. __________________ Carthago Delenda Est!

October 8 2012, 06:54 PM	#19
Markonian Commander Location: Cork, Ireland	Re: What happens if someone from the past shows up... There may be an actual case in ST: B. Rasmussen. He committed a crime in the past and was stranded in the future by Starfleet, and prosecuted. He was treated as criminal in Indistinguishable from Magic.

October 8 2012, 07:16 PM	#20
Christopher Writer	Re: What happens if someone from the past shows up... ^Well, technically I think Rasmussen was prosecuted for the crimes he committed in the 24th century, i.e. stealing a bunch of Starfleet equipment, trying to kidnap Data, and attempted erasure of the entire timeline. I'm not sure it would be practical to try someone for crimes committed centuries ago, since there'd be no surviving witnesses to testify (unless, say, a young Vulcan had been present during Rasmussen's theft of the time pod). There'd also be little intact evidence to build a case on. __________________ Christopher L. Bennett Homepage -- Includes purchasing links for Only Superhuman, on sale now! Updated 12/30/12 with annotations for the novel. Written Worlds -- My blog

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October 12 2012, 01:03 AM	#28
JD Admiral Location: Arizona, USA	Re: What happens if someone from the past shows up... That's why I always check my facts before posting something like that. __________________ Over the course of many encounters and many years, I have successfully developed a standard operating procedure for dealing with big, nasty monsters. Run away. Me and Monty Python. Harry Dresden - Blood Rites (The Dresden Files #6)

October 12 2012, 08:13 AM	#29
Drago-Kazov Fleet Captain	Re: What happens if someone from the past shows up... What happens if somebody commits crimes in an alternate reality and there are witnesses and video footage?

October 13 2012, 06:17 PM	#30
Nerys Myk Admiral Location: House of Kang, now with ridges	Re: What happens if someone from the past shows up... Contact law enforcement in that reality and turn over the evidence to them. __________________ Nerys Myk's Midnight In Never Land A novel of Dark Fantasy @ Amazon.com