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Old October 5 2012, 08:04 PM   #376
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It was a wise move. Mixing business and family in the best of times and in a legitimate business is difficult and problematic enough.
Ditch Clay he is useless. Does he even have a critical role within the club.
He's Piney 2.0, playing the main antagonist to the President. I wouldn't write him off just yet. He seems to be slowly recovering and still has a few claws left.

In Jax's business it can be very deadly and used against him, particularly now since he's now interacting with an adversary who is known to turn family members into charcoal to prove a point.
Much more likely to hurt the kids or his wife.
Yep. That was one of the great things about the movie "Heat", when DeNiro's character said that one of the first rules in the business is to never get too attached to something or someone that you couldn't cut loose if the heat was right around the corner. Also why Kaiser Sose's solution to his family being held hostage in "Usual Suspects" was so powerful and shocking, showing "these men of will what 'will' really was".

I have a strong suspicion Jax may be put in a similar predicament before the series is over.
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Old October 6 2012, 02:35 AM   #377
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Ditch Clay he is useless. Does he even have a critical role within the club.
As Jax pointed out - Clay is the only Son the Irish will sell guns to, and the CIA wants that trade to continue for now. If the club loses that deal, the RICO case starts back up and the Sons are finished. I'd say that's a pretty critical role, even if no one in the club beyond Jax and Bobby have that knowledge.
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Old October 6 2012, 07:11 AM   #378
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Well I kinda like seeing Clay take his lumps, for too long he's sort of been cock of the MC walk. He says jump, people jump. Now he's the one that has to take the orders and basically is the only one to growl some words of contradiction or warning to Jax.

I do see a lot of Clay and Gemma in Jax and Tara. Tara has slowly been turning to a far more educated and devious Gemma. But I do like that Jax has a focus, that he's not the "I'm gonna fuck this club as soon as I can." sorta punk he was earlier. Granted he's still trying to find an exit, but I think he realizes that the club is all he really has besides Tara and his kids and now with Opie gone, he's really only got his MC "brothers" to lean on.

I do think eventually we'll see the Sons fold or slowly dissolve away. Maybe it'll come to a point where Jax is in a position to say "Anyone who wants to stay with me, can stay with me, but... the club's done. Too much blood, too much hurt, too many dead brothers. Let's just move past all the shit." I could really see the series finale being the Sons of Anarchy sign coming down off the club house and being burned in the BBQ pit, kuttes being tossed on the fire and then a flash forward to an older Able and Thomas on their first Harley's riding with their old man, Gemma riding with Jax and the ghosts of JT and Opie riding beside them. Then finish with a ghostly reaper coming out of Jax's back onto his plain black kutte. Jax making some monologue about "The Sons of Anarchy may be over, but the Sons of Teller... our ride never ends." or something equally melodramatic. Then cut to the SONS rings back on JT's grave, along with the President patch. Finally... a fade to the reaper as every episode had ended.

I know it's not par for the series, but I really would like to see Jax and his family make it out of all this alive and know that the whole series told us everything we needed to know about the Last Days of SAMCRO. Which I think was what Sutter wanted to call the series, something like The Rise and Fall of SAMCRO. I think he said he really would like to do a prequel series, with a young JT, Gemma and Clay - even though we sorta know the story - it would be interesting to see the path it took getting there. But I really think it should only be like a 3 season show. I doubt they could pad that out into 5 or 6 seasons like SOA
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Old October 6 2012, 08:55 AM   #379
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Ditch Clay he is useless. Does he even have a critical role within the club.
As Jax pointed out - Clay is the only Son the Irish will sell guns to, and the CIA wants that trade to continue for now. If the club loses that deal, the RICO case starts back up and the Sons are finished. I'd say that's a pretty critical role, even if no one in the club beyond Jax and Bobby have that knowledge.
Thanks for explaining it.
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Old October 10 2012, 04:09 AM   #380
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Funniest scenes in Sons ever. Was laughing my buttocks off. Love when the Shield alums stop by and this appearance was beyond funny. Great makeup job on those huge boobs and Tigs reaction to them was priceless.
The rest of the show was great as well.
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Old October 10 2012, 04:47 AM   #381
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"Why does this always happen to me!?" After getting bit on the ass and breaking skin LOL Man that fat guy had some sharp teeth.

I tell ya that was the first time in a looong time on this show that I was laughing my ass off - I think even the cast had fun with it too. And that part with the stepson - LOL - wonder if we'll indeed see that kid show up at the clubhouse later on.

Sooo the Irish blew up Chib's and who else's bike? I'll have to go back through that scene and see exactly who else lost a bike in that stunt. But... hey they do technically have Piney and Opie's bikes just siting around...
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Old October 10 2012, 10:08 AM   #382
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Well I kinda like seeing Clay take his lumps, for too long he's sort of been cock of the MC walk. He says jump, people jump. Now he's the one that has to take the orders and basically is the only one to growl some words of contradiction or warning to Jax.

I do see a lot of Clay and Gemma in Jax and Tara. Tara has slowly been turning to a far more educated and devious Gemma. But I do like that Jax has a focus, that he's not the "I'm gonna fuck this club as soon as I can." sorta punk he was earlier. Granted he's still trying to find an exit, but I think he realizes that the club is all he really has besides Tara and his kids and now with Opie gone, he's really only got his MC "brothers" to lean on.

I do think eventually we'll see the Sons fold or slowly dissolve away. Maybe it'll come to a point where Jax is in a position to say "Anyone who wants to stay with me, can stay with me, but... the club's done. Too much blood, too much hurt, too many dead brothers. Let's just move past all the shit." I could really see the series finale being the Sons of Anarchy sign coming down off the club house and being burned in the BBQ pit, kuttes being tossed on the fire and then a flash forward to an older Able and Thomas on their first Harley's riding with their old man, Gemma riding with Jax and the ghosts of JT and Opie riding beside them. Then finish with a ghostly reaper coming out of Jax's back onto his plain black kutte. Jax making some monologue about "The Sons of Anarchy may be over, but the Sons of Teller... our ride never ends." or something equally melodramatic. Then cut to the SONS rings back on JT's grave, along with the President patch. Finally... a fade to the reaper as every episode had ended.

I know it's not par for the series, but I really would like to see Jax and his family make it out of all this alive and know that the whole series told us everything we needed to know about the Last Days of SAMCRO. Which I think was what Sutter wanted to call the series, something like The Rise and Fall of SAMCRO. I think he said he really would like to do a prequel series, with a young JT, Gemma and Clay - even though we sorta know the story - it would be interesting to see the path it took getting there. But I really think it should only be like a 3 season show. I doubt they could pad that out into 5 or 6 seasons like SOA
I agree. The show should be only a three or a four-season show. Anymore is pushing it and stretching things out needlessly. I do see the fall of SAMCRO in the series end. The entire series seems to be building to that. I think the fall began slowly many years ago when Clay and Gemma plotted to kill JT. Ever since then, the foundation of the club has been eroding with secrets, lies, corruption, and greed. Jax wants to save the club by putting it on a new path but what he doesn't see is that the club is damaged beyond repair and the only way to save it is to let it die.
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Old October 10 2012, 04:29 PM   #383
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Yeah I really think if we don't get another season, I can see the club dying this season and not feeling like it was forced. Jax is starting to be a leader though, which is nice to see. He's always talked a good talk and he's lead stuff too, but I think he's starting to throw his weight around more and I really have to admit, I didn't think I'd like Bobby Elvis as the Veep, but I do.

Of course there's one thing I'd love to see and maybe it's just me, but I'd love to see a situation where the Sons are sort of trapped somewhere, held by Pope or even Galen, like on a run or something. And pretty much it's up to the "old ladies" to pull the boys fat out of the fire. I've got this scene in my head of like Tara and Gemma pulling the other crow eaters and prospects together, arming up and taking out every available bike and rolling down the highway and just kick some ass.

Before this season ends, I totally want to see Gemma and Tara just go total badass and surprise the hell out of everyone. Maybe kinda put an end to that whole "Old Man/Old Lady" heirarchy thing. "You're just an old lady, stay out of it." will be moot, when the "Old Ladies" go and midevil and roll in guns blazing.

Although if Gemma had to go out - that'd be a great way to see her go out, "protecting her cub" and then basically handing the "Crown" of Queen of the MC to Tara.

Would be an awesome part of a series finale.
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Old October 12 2012, 08:09 AM   #384
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wonder if we'll indeed see that kid show up at the clubhouse later on.
I already have to tolerate the fat nerdy kid who looks ike had a midlife crisis and left the IT world. I don't see why would we need him.
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Old October 12 2012, 10:10 PM   #385
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wonder if we'll indeed see that kid show up at the clubhouse later on.
I already have to tolerate the fat nerdy kid who looks ike had a midlife crisis and left the IT world. I don't see why would we need him.



And here I thought I was the only one that thought that. He does look like he hit 30 after being in IT for the past decade or more and said "F--k it, I'm taking my shares of Facebook stock and buying a Harley and joining an MC." That said, he seems like a nice guy honestly. Shocked that he hasn't taken on some of Juice's "Techie" stuff - but then again, that would have sorta been kinda "on the nose" wouldn't it? The fat guy with glasses is the techie geek... like gee...

I do hope they don't kill him - kinda like to see him patched in and maybe assert himself a bit. I mean think about it, him and "Rat-boy" have been privy to some pretty deep secretive shit in the past couple seasons now. Everyone kinda ignores them because they're just "prospects" but who knows...

HAH.. maybe he'll end up running the club! Now that'd be funny.

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Old October 13 2012, 02:47 AM   #386
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In some chinese prisons people are forced to play 12 hours a day so they can sell the characters.
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Old October 15 2012, 02:11 AM   #387
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HAHA - I can just see it now.

Chibs:"Phil... are ye sure this'll make us money? Playin' wee video games."
Phil: "Trust me. This is good."
Tig: "You fuckin' geeks need to get a life."
Phil: "Why did you vote me in as Prez?"
Tig: "Because Jax promised me the Brothel business..."
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Old October 17 2012, 02:37 PM   #388
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Wow lots of stuff going on in this weeks show. Clay is behind the Nomad attacks. Gemma is completely off the rails. Tara didnt kneel forthe club. Jax knows how to wind up a snow globe. Pope is a smooth operator. Tig got scratched on the neck. Bobby can take a fall. Wayne is an unhappy man. An excellent episode!!
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Dollars to donuts says Tig is going to be blamed for the Sheriff's wife's murder due to the circumstantial evidence of the scratch marks. He's not concealing it like the Nomad is. He will eventually be cleared by DNA comparison, but he will be incarcerated in the meantime, and lots can happen if he's back in lock-up - alone.
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Old October 17 2012, 06:46 PM   #390
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^Yea I thought the same thing. I guess they have to get him back in the pen somehow. And boy was that one well built snowglobe. Wonder where I can get one of those, mine break just looking at them.
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