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Old October 11 2012, 09:48 PM   #31
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Of course it's fondly remembered! I just meant, if it had ended sooner it may have been held in even higher esteem.

As a Trek fan--I'm glad we got season 3, but I was just curious if it had less mockable moments--if it would have been held higher as classic sci-fi rather a 'culty' tv show.

I think it is classy sci-fi, but I think in general maybe to the non-fan who sat down to watch it in the 1970s and was unlucky enough to see "And the Children shall Lead'---it's a WTF moment and he/she thinks "those people are crazy--this is junk."

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Old October 12 2012, 08:27 PM   #32
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I get what you're saying, but that can happen with show that has bad episodes. The first seaosn had its share of eye-rollers. The average viewer coming in partway into Charlie X (the rec room scene) or Mudd's Women (any part of it) might change the dial to Lawrence Welk. The Alternative Factor would probably send some people into fits of laughter. Taken out of context, Kirk vs the Gorn is laughable to some people.

I really don't think the lesser episodes hurt the enjoyment of the series in the long run, there were more than enough great episodes to cement its place. I'm just having a hard time thinking one of the most popular shows in TV history could have been more well regarded than it was. It's already classic TV sci-fi. I mean, I got my parents into it in the early 70's and they weren't what you'd call sci-fi fans. Not until much later, anyway.

But hey, what do I know? I wound up loving it, warts and all. That will always color my preceptions.
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Old October 13 2012, 12:16 AM   #33
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Without the third season, I don't think there would've been enough episodes for it to thrive in strip syndication.
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Old October 13 2012, 04:31 AM   #34
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You're noticing the Gene Coon shift, as much as any Shatner-acting shift.
No, it's Shatner.
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Old October 13 2012, 05:35 PM   #35
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1. Watch MeTV on Saturday evening.

2. Watch the show that comes on 1 hour before Star Trek.

3. Watch Star Trek.

4. Universally agree that Star Trek is a television science fiction masterpiece.
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Old October 14 2012, 07:36 PM   #36
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I wish the writers, directors or Roddenberry could have said, "pull it back to a slightly more serious tone" and TOS wouldn't be laced with those roll your eyes acting moments.
A lot of what makes the second season great to me is the familiarity and banter between the characters. Shatner didn't really go sailing over the top regularly until the third season when bad directors failed to keep him in check.


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I almost think if TOS had been cancelled sooner--it would ironically have been remebered more fondly and held in higher esteem.
When wasn't Trek fondly remembered? It was "the show that would not die," which never left the air after it entered syndication. It became the template for every SF tv series in the 70's (until Star Wars came out), the comparison they had to live up to ("will Space: 1999 inherit the Star Trek crown?" "it lacks the personalities of Star Trek..." etc).

It was already held in high esteem. The third season didn't drag it down, in fact much of the third season provided concepts and character which were greatly loved by fans, especially in the 70's.

It survived quite well with three seasons and I'm happy to have even the crummy episodes. Yes, indeedy.

The only time I remember TOS getting dissed was when TNG was at its peak. Then TNG went away and the original series regained respect. It's a fickle public.
Absolutely.

And what's more, people tend to parrot what they are told. They talk about Shatner being over-the-top, like he was the only big name of that period to perform that way? Have they seen Jack Klugman go at it? I could drop ten more names from that period that loved to ham it up and go loudly over-the-top and really, the difference is Shatner is known more for it because he was in an ATG television show that blazed a trail - and a VERY BIG part of the reason that show went down that way, arguably the way of entertainment genius, was because of what he [Shatner] added to it.
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Old October 15 2012, 04:57 AM   #37
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Jack Klugman on Twilight Zone. I like over the top. And meaty, weighty, overactable words like Serling and Roddenberry wrote. Ymmv.
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Old October 15 2012, 06:13 PM   #38
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Jack Klugman on Twilight Zone. I like over the top. And meaty, weighty, overactable words like Serling and Roddenberry wrote. Ymmv.
I am with you all of the way on that.
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Old October 15 2012, 11:13 PM   #39
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1. Watch MeTV on Saturday evening.

2. Watch the show that comes on 1 hour before Star Trek.

3. Watch Star Trek.

4. Universally agree that Star Trek is a television science fiction masterpiece.
Oh God.
I accidentally watched MeTV this past Saturday night. The alien of the week on Lost in Space looked like it came from a Bugs Bunny/ Daffy Duck cartoon. Thank God for Netflix and Mythbusters.
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Old October 15 2012, 11:19 PM   #40
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1. Watch MeTV on Saturday evening.

2. Watch the show that comes on 1 hour before Star Trek.

3. Watch Star Trek.

4. Universally agree that Star Trek is a television science fiction masterpiece.
Oh God.
I accidentally watched MeTV this past Saturday night. The alien of the week on Lost in Space looked like it came from a Bugs Bunny/ Daffy Duck cartoon. Thank God for Netflix and Mythbusters.
Do you mean Lemnoc? Didn't you just love how, in his secret lair, he had a sign with his name in English hanging over his chair?

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__...mnoc_chair.jpg
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Old December 23 2013, 09:48 PM   #41
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Roddenberry earned story credit on "Charlie X" for the following sentence: "The accidental occurrence of infinite power to do all things, in the hands of a very finite man." Fontana wrote the story outline and the teleplay.
That actually sounds more like "Where No Man Has Gone Before." The "Charlie" in the title hints at "Charlie X" but Gary Mitchell could have easily been Charlie Mitchell early on. Notice the premise says nothing about an adolescent, but "a very finite man." Was Sam Peeples working off a Roddenberry story idea? Did he read Gene's series outline and pick a premise that sounded most interesting? Or was WMNHGB totally original and this really is "Charlie X?"

Just putting it out there.
Hello, I am Sam Peeples grandson. I know a little/share a little about Sams writing his pilot. My grandmother tells me G. Roddenberry stayed at their home while Sam wrote 'Where No Man Has Gone Before'. She said G.R.'s pilot was fantasy and that Sam taught G.R. how to write Sci-Fi. She said GR "learned fast". I'm not into Star Trek outside of Sam's pilot and the lastest Trek feature films, so I can't contribute much. I inherited a book that belonged to Sam (GR, The Myth And The Man Behind Star Trek), the author gave it to Sam as a gift. In it the author said that Sam had the [worlds?] largest private collection of Sci Fi magazines and/or books - and that GR photographed many magazine covers to use as research/to a aid in the designing the Enterprise.

Thanks for talking of Sam, that's how I found this forum.

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Old December 23 2013, 10:00 PM   #42
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R.Peeples wrote: View Post
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Roddenberry earned story credit on "Charlie X" for the following sentence: "The accidental occurrence of infinite power to do all things, in the hands of a very finite man." Fontana wrote the story outline and the teleplay.
That actually sounds more like "Where No Man Has Gone Before." The "Charlie" in the title hints at "Charlie X" but Gary Mitchell could have easily been Charlie Mitchell early on. Notice the premise says nothing about an adolescent, but "a very finite man." Was Sam Peeples working off a Roddenberry story idea? Did he read Gene's series outline and pick a premise that sounded most interesting? Or was WMNHGB totally original and this really is "Charlie X?"

Just putting it out there.
Hello, I am Sam Peeples grandson. I know a little/share a little about Sams writing his pilot. My grandmother tells me G. Roddenberry stayed at their home while Sam wrote 'Where No Man Has God Before'. She said G.R.'s pilot was fantasy and that Sam taught G.R. how to write Sci-Fi. She said GR "learned fast". I'm not into Star Trek outside of Sam's pilot and the lastest Trek feature films, so I can't contribute much. I inherited a book that belonged to Sam (GR, The Myth And The Man Behind Star Trek), the author gave it to Sam as a gift. In it the author said that Sam had the [worlds?] largest private collection of Sci Fi magazines and/or books - and that GR photographed many magazine covers to use as research/to a aid in the designing the Enterprise.

Thanks for talking of Sam, that's how I found this forum.
Welcome, R.

HARVEY on here has done a lot of research into GR's papers, so you should Private Message with him to see if he has any info about your grandfather which you might find interesting.
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Old December 24 2013, 12:12 AM   #43
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That actually sounds more like "Where No Man Has Gone Before." The "Charlie" in the title hints at "Charlie X" but Gary Mitchell could have easily been Charlie Mitchell early on. Notice the premise says nothing about an adolescent, but "a very finite man." Was Sam Peeples working off a Roddenberry story idea? Did he read Gene's series outline and pick a premise that sounded most interesting? Or was WMNHGB totally original and this really is "Charlie X?"

Just putting it out there.
Hello, I am Sam Peeples grandson. I know a little/share a little about Sams writing his pilot. My grandmother tells me G. Roddenberry stayed at their home while Sam wrote 'Where No Man Has God Before'. She said G.R.'s pilot was fantasy and that Sam taught G.R. how to write Sci-Fi. She said GR "learned fast". I'm not into Star Trek outside of Sam's pilot and the lastest Trek feature films, so I can't contribute much. I inherited a book that belonged to Sam (GR, The Myth And The Man Behind Star Trek), the author gave it to Sam as a gift. In it the author said that Sam had the [worlds?] largest private collection of Sci Fi magazines and/or books - and that GR photographed many magazine covers to use as research/to a aid in the designing the Enterprise.

Thanks for talking of Sam, that's how I found this forum.
Welcome, R.

HARVEY on here has done a lot of research into GR's papers, so you should Private Message with him to see if he has any info about your grandfather which you might find interesting.

Thank you Maurice, that's exactly what I was hoping--to learn more of Sam and/or how the show was picked up, rejected etc.

Q: I'm curious as to where the Desilu Studio was located (at the time Star Trek was picked up by Desilu). I think this is the current location. http://www.redstudio.com/history

Q: I'm curious as to how envolved Desi or Lucy were in the purchasing or shepherding of the show and pilot/s.

Thank you.
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Old December 24 2013, 01:01 AM   #44
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As a Trek fan--I'm glad we got season 3, but I was just curious if it had less mockable moments--if it would have been held higher as classic sci-fi rather a 'culty' tv show.
IMO - there were bad episodes in EVERY Star Trek (TOS) Season (but like the majority here, I prefer the first season as well over the other two.)

That said, I'm still happy we got a third Season as I loved a number of S3 episodes like:

"The Tholian Web"

"Day Of The Dove" (Michael Ansara as 'Kang' is still my favorite Klingon portrayal in the 47 years of the Star Trek franchise. I love when he just steps up to Kirk, and without a word, just slaps Kirk to the ground, literally.)

"The Enterprise Incident"

and while some will groan at this last one, it was the first Star Trek episode I saw first run on NBC (I was 6 years old at the time):

"Elaan Of Troyius"

So, wes, while I agree that a lot of the third Season is not that good, there are still quite a few gems from it that I am glad I got to see.
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Old December 24 2013, 01:18 AM   #45
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Thank you Maurice, that's exactly what I was hoping--to learn more of Sam and/or how the show was picked up, rejected etc.

Q: I'm curious as to where the Desilu Studio was located (at the time Star Trek was picked up by Desilu). I think this is the current location. http://www.redstudio.com/history
Desilu was the former RKO lot and associated backlots. It's currently part of Paramount's Melrose Ave. home. The Gower St. side is what was RKO/Desilu. The Star Trek and Mission: Impossible stages were backed up against the cemetery there.
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Q: I'm curious as to how envolved Desi or Lucy were in the purchasing or shepherding of the show and pilot/s.
Short answer: Desi was gone by the time Roddenberry met Herb Solow and pitched the show, so Lucy was involved in the decision, not Desi.
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