Chest hair: Kirk v. Spock - Page 3

Brutal Strudel · October 8 2012, 05:03 PM

Burma Ryder wrote:

emergencyfruit wrote:

We've seen Kirk with his shirt off dozens of times, and he never has any body hair. Fair enough, it makes him seem sleek and well-groomed.

I think the notion that a shaved or waxed male chest constitutes part of being a well-groomed male is a fairly recent one stemming from the trend during the last 15 or so years of metrosexuality. If anything, Kirk might have seemed more manly during the 60s had he actually had a hairy chest.

As to why Nimoy didn't have his chest waxed, perhaps he didn't feel the need to apologize for looking like a man. In-universe, one might argue that Vulcans (like their Romulan cousins) are very virile and passionate; they just keep it under wraps. A hairy-chested Vulcan then would not seem out of place if one were to associate a male hairy chest with virility, potency, and strong masculine drives (i.e. as in Pon Faar).

Grooming taks time. Shaving or waxing one's chst may seem like an illogical us of that time.

ToddPence · October 10 2012, 11:11 PM

Seriously? After fourteen years of TrekBBS, this is what we've been reduced to discussing?

teacake · October 10 2012, 11:41 PM

Hey in the ENT forum we talk about Phlox's toenails.

emergencyfruit · October 10 2012, 11:43 PM

ToddPence wrote:

Seriously? After fourteen years of TrekBBS, this is what we've been reduced to discussing?

Is there some reason we shouldn't discuss it? It pertains to character development, acting decisions, and an interesting incongruence throughout the series that is never explained. I don't see a problem.

Safefta Pardek · October 11 2012, 12:10 AM

I noticed that, and somehow thought it should be the other way around. But I'm just a fangirl of fourteen, what do I know?

Jonas Grumby · October 11 2012, 03:31 PM

teacock wrote:

Hey in the ENT forum we talk about Phlox's toenails.

When you get around to talking about Hoshi's toes, let me know.

T'Girl · October 11 2012, 06:26 PM

Anybody want to conjecture as to what other portions of Spock's epidermis might be hairy, because I'd like to.

ssosmcin · October 11 2012, 06:57 PM

Well, in the 60's, wasn't it generally the fashion to have a shaved chest on TV? There were some exceptions, but most often than not, guys were hairless (I don't even know of we saw a lot of armpit hair - NEVER back hair). The actors who did have a lot of hair poking through the tops of their shirts never seemed to have bare-chested scenes. I remember this one episode of The Fugitive where Richard Kimble opens his shirt to show someone some bruises. David Janssen had a thick mat of dark chest hair - and tellingly his back was to the camera. You could argue they didn't want to show any unsightly wounds and left it to the imagination, but in beefcake photos of the actor he has no chest hair. SO it seems to be more like a "I'm not gonna shave for one shot" and he had a TON of hair.

Why didn't Nimoy have to shave? He probably didn't want to if he was only going to have a single scene without a shirt (why put up with the itch). He wasn't going to be the "shirtless hero" like Shatner and his puffy nipples. So they probably justified it as his being an alien.

Nowadays, a lot of action, beefcake stars go hairless to accentuate muscular definition (Chris Evans in Captain America, Henry Clavill in Immortals). Also, the general consensus today is that hair is yucky (should we even get into the female bikini shaving area?). Chest hair seemed to be a sticking point: it was dirty or animalistic - Sean Connery kept his for Bond, but Roger Moore had none. And it showed in their characters.

Wow, off on a tangent here…

teacake · October 12 2012, 05:10 AM

T'Girl wrote:

Anybody want to conjecture as to what other portions of Spock's epidermis might be hairy, because I'd like to.

I'm voting for huge tufts in the middle of each buttock. You know, for hanging on to.

Grey · October 12 2012, 06:18 AM

emergencyfruit wrote:

True, actually - I just looked back through some of the pics, and you're right, there was definitely some extra gloss going on.

Well, good to know that whatever your tastes, there's a man on the bridge to meet it - young or mature, slender or muscular, slick-chested or rugged...

Burma Ryder · October 20 2012, 03:46 AM

teacock wrote:

T'Girl wrote:

Anybody want to conjecture as to what other portions of Spock's epidermis might be hairy, because I'd like to.

I'm voting for huge tufts in the middle of each buttock. You know, for hanging on to.

Need...more...brain..bleach...

KimM · October 20 2012, 04:53 PM

teacock wrote:

T'Girl wrote:

Anybody want to conjecture as to what other portions of Spock's epidermis might be hairy, because I'd like to.

I'm voting for huge tufts in the middle of each buttock. You know, for hanging on to.

I've always imagined that's what the big pointy ears were for! When I imagine such things. Which of course is but rarely . .

Elder Knight · October 20 2012, 09:24 PM

I remembger that Mike Henry, in the 1970s, was the first hairy-chested Tarzan since the silent movie days. That should indicate a trend.

T'Girl · October 20 2012, 11:28 PM

T'Girl wrote:

Anybody want to conjecture as to what other portions of Spock's epidermis might be hairy, because I'd like to.

teacock wrote:

I'm voting for huge tufts in the middle of each buttock. You know, for hanging on to.

Burma Ryder wrote:

Need...more...brain..bleach...

I vote for a reasonable amount of back hair, also to give you something to hang on to.

Otherwise I have to use my quarter inch fingernails to obtain purchase.

Orcus · October 22 2012, 09:24 AM

T'Girl wrote:

Anybody want to conjecture as to what other portions of Spock's epidermis might be hairy, because I'd like to.

The palms of his hands? Couldn't that allay early on-set of Ponn Farr...?

October 10 2012, 11:11 PM	#32
ToddPence Fleet Captain Location: Fairfax, VA	Re: Chest hair: Kirk v. Spock Seriously? After fourteen years of TrekBBS, this is what we've been reduced to discussing?

October 10 2012, 11:41 PM	#33
teacake Admiral Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.	Re: Chest hair: Kirk v. Spock Hey in the ENT forum we talk about Phlox's toenails. __________________ Rider: I can't believe you'd kill me for a field of empty holes. J'onn: It's all I have. ■ ■ ■ Janeway does Melbourne

October 11 2012, 12:10 AM	#35
Safefta Pardek Ensign Location: Romulus, on a Spy Mission.	Re: Chest hair: Kirk v. Spock I noticed that, and somehow thought it should be the other way around. But I'm just a fangirl of fourteen, what do I know? __________________ Being half Vulcan isn't so bad, it's the Romulan half that worries me.

October 11 2012, 06:26 PM	#37
T'Girl Vice Admiral	Re: Chest hair: Kirk v. Spock Anybody want to conjecture as to what other portions of Spock's epidermis might be hairy, because I'd like to.

October 11 2012, 06:57 PM	#38
ssosmcin Commodore Location: New Yawk	Re: Chest hair: Kirk v. Spock Well, in the 60's, wasn't it generally the fashion to have a shaved chest on TV? There were some exceptions, but most often than not, guys were hairless (I don't even know of we saw a lot of armpit hair - NEVER back hair). The actors who did have a lot of hair poking through the tops of their shirts never seemed to have bare-chested scenes. I remember this one episode of The Fugitive where Richard Kimble opens his shirt to show someone some bruises. David Janssen had a thick mat of dark chest hair - and tellingly his back was to the camera. You could argue they didn't want to show any unsightly wounds and left it to the imagination, but in beefcake photos of the actor he has no chest hair. SO it seems to be more like a "I'm not gonna shave for one shot" and he had a TON of hair. Why didn't Nimoy have to shave? He probably didn't want to if he was only going to have a single scene without a shirt (why put up with the itch). He wasn't going to be the "shirtless hero" like Shatner and his puffy nipples. So they probably justified it as his being an alien. Nowadays, a lot of action, beefcake stars go hairless to accentuate muscular definition (Chris Evans in Captain America, Henry Clavill in Immortals). Also, the general consensus today is that hair is yucky (should we even get into the female bikini shaving area?). Chest hair seemed to be a sticking point: it was dirty or animalistic - Sean Connery kept his for Bond, but Roger Moore had none. And it showed in their characters. Wow, off on a tangent here… __________________ "Tranya is people!"

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October 20 2012, 09:24 PM	#43
Elder Knight Captain Location: SE USA	Re: Chest hair: Kirk v. Spock I remembger that Mike Henry, in the 1970s, was the first hairy-chested Tarzan since the silent movie days. That should indicate a trend.