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Old October 3 2012, 05:57 AM   #76
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Re: why was ensign kim not promoted at all in 7 years?

It was also interesting to see him as an asshole.

I really should watch that bastard again.
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Old October 3 2012, 07:24 AM   #77
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Re: why was ensign kim not promoted at all in 7 years?

The first role I ever saw him play was Lucius Aelius Sejanus. The whole series is available as entire episodes on YouTube.
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Old October 3 2012, 07:34 AM   #78
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Gene Roddenberry wrote in the adaptation of star Trek the Motion Picture that everyone in the 23rd century was bisexual except Kirk.
So it's canon.

YES.
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Old October 3 2012, 08:32 AM   #79
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Gene Roddenberry wrote in the adaptation of star Trek the Motion Picture that everyone in the 23rd century was bisexual except Kirk.
So it's canon.

YES.
Novels ain't canon.

Even novels by the producers, god bless Jeri Taylor's little cotton socks.
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Old October 3 2012, 08:40 AM   #80
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Re: why was ensign kim not promoted at all in 7 years?

You know how all that stuff from Mosaic got incorporated into the show and LO! it was canon?

That's why we have subtext. Gene told us and we extrapolated. Being a very subtle man he didn't want to use a hammer to drive home his bisexual points.
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Old October 3 2012, 08:49 AM   #81
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Re: why was ensign kim not promoted at all in 7 years?

And risk Chuck Norris calling for a boycott of Star Trek?

There might never have been a Wrath of Khan!

Yup.

Tactical silence moves mountains.
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Old October 8 2012, 02:42 AM   #82
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Re: why was ensign kim not promoted at all in 7 years?

Something everyone forgets about,chekov held the rank of ensign for several years before getting his first promotion.
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Old October 8 2012, 02:52 AM   #83
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Re: why was ensign kim not promoted at all in 7 years?

He was the first officer of the reliant by 43 with the rank of Commander.
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Old October 8 2012, 03:01 AM   #84
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Re: why was ensign kim not promoted at all in 7 years?

We're back to a canon debate? How can we the fans be expected to come to any consensus about what is and isn't canon if Trek's own creators and producers can't?
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Old October 8 2012, 03:09 AM   #85
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Canon is a toy R. Star.
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Old October 8 2012, 03:09 AM   #86
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This isn't about canon.

It's a question of who is a slacker and who is criminally complacent.

Driver, and character.

Picard was a captain at 27... Over his Captains dead body, side stepping advance and promotions, he just said "I'm captain, anyone got a problem with that?"

Riker was XO of the Flagship by 27, but he probably had a lot of skull and bones backing him up from Pressman and the Pegasus.

Kirk was captain by 30, but he had Robert April guiding his career.

Hey?

Could Kathryn get into trouble for not promoting people enough?
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Old October 8 2012, 03:14 AM   #87
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If they weren't in the Delta quadrant Harry could have transferred to another ship if he thought he was being unfairly overlooked or if Janeway had a rep for not promoting folk.
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Old October 8 2012, 03:19 AM   #88
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So Kim needs to suck up more to cover his deficiencies. If he can't do that, it's his own fault.

Either that or kill Janeway.
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Old October 8 2012, 03:21 AM   #89
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Re: why was ensign kim not promoted at all in 7 years?

Then suddenly Janeway has no crew and wonders why.

Harry claimed in Nightingale that if Janeway wasn't such a cow that, back home, by now, he would already be a lieutenant commander.

She laughed at him.
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Old October 8 2012, 03:23 AM   #90
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Then suddenly Janeway has no crew and wonders why.
Because she's dead?
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