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Old October 6 2012, 06:16 PM   #226
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I just want to know what kind of bad ass batteries all these devices have. An iPhone and portable CD player that've held their charges for 15 years? Tiny little amulets that can produce a massive effect after (assumingly regular usage) during the same amount of time? A makeshift PC with no visible power supply?
i think thats why its called a science fiction show, lol. when i watch star trek, i don't wonder how they can scramble peoples' molecules from one place to another.
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Old October 6 2012, 06:33 PM   #227
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i think thats why its called a science fiction show, lol. when i watch star trek, i don't wonder how they can scramble peoples' molecules from one place to another.
Star Trek isn't set in the modern world using modern technology and extrapolating what happens when a single sci-fi element is introduced.
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Old October 7 2012, 12:17 AM   #228
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Incidentally, so far as nanotech handwaving for the black out goes?
It's not handwaving. I don't believe for a second that any of this is scientifically plausible, which you'd know if you read my early posts in the thread. I'm simply seeking a possible mechanism that the producers and writers might use to explain the scenario on the show. Something which explains some of the conditions (while I agree raising numerous more questions and difficulties).

I suppose the first resort of the scientifically illiterate, quantum woo, will eventually come to mouth.
I'd have a more appropriate place to tell you to go were this another forum, but alas you limit your unpleasant behavior to these forums, so I can't. I think it's great that you manage to make assumptions and insults about people over TV shows and movies with such regularity. It really makes the threads so much more welcoming and enjoyable once you've arrived.

Lastly, mileage may vary, but the insistence that only the most ruthless brutality could restore "order" and survival seems to me to be more an ideological assumption demanded by a reactionary world view, than a legitimate dramatic possibility.
Are you completely incapable of watching a movie or TV show without imposing your social and political views on it or assuming that others are equally incapable? Just because I or anyone else here describe what THE CHARACTERS likely motives were for establishing the militia (as shown onscreen) doesn't mean we support those motives or think they are the right way to achieve those goals.
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Old October 7 2012, 03:16 AM   #229
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^^^Guilty conscience? The show's storyline is very much about the in-universe politics. The writers have clearly established that absolute murderous chaos instantly broke out and only the baddest asses like Miles and his Sith apprentice Bass were able to cope. This strikes me as nasty minded nonsense. I didn't know you were a writer on the show but since you are taking personal offense, you must be. Since this is your responsibility, shame on you. Also, you don't get to foist Lord of the Flies scenarios on people without them having the right to criticize it. Trying to pretend it's just some sort of character drama with meaningless premises more or less chosen randomly at an idle moment is absurd.

On the other hand, the impossibility of the nanotech explanations doesn't strike me as a reflection on the fans who thought the show might have thought of it, regardless of how rapidly they wither in the light of the commercial breaks. I also don't expect they will be responsible for the (sadly) probably inevitable chatter about quantum physics at some point.

Really, the only insulting thing was calling Billy Burke a bore, but that's only insulting the sense that any disagreement with another person's taste is "insulting." I suppose I should have been more tactful and said something like " Billy Burke doesn't inspire enthusiasm or even conviction, so it's kind of hard to care very much about what his character chooses to do.
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Old October 7 2012, 03:38 AM   #230
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A makeshift PC with no visible power supply?
Funny, my PC has no visible power supply.
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Old October 7 2012, 03:38 AM   #231
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^^^Guilty conscience? The show's storyline is very much about the in-universe politics.

... I didn't know you were a writer on the show but since you are taking personal offense, you must be.
The show's storyline is, absolutely. I was talking about the speculation put forth by the people in this thread, however.

All of the issues you raised (nanotechnology, creating the militia to reestablish order) were things I mentioned in my previous posts. The showrunners have been deliberately vague and haven't mentioned anything about nanotechnology or any other "handwaving" mechanism behind the blackout as far as I am aware, so the criticism seemed directed at me specifically. If it was not, then I apologize for misreading your meaning.
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Old October 7 2012, 07:24 AM   #232
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A makeshift PC with no visible power supply?
Funny, my PC has no visible power supply.
What, like the cord leading to the outlet? I wish I had a desktop PC that didn't need power.
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Old October 7 2012, 01:26 PM   #233
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^^^Guilty conscience? The show's storyline is very much about the in-universe politics.

... I didn't know you were a writer on the show but since you are taking personal offense, you must be.
The show's storyline is, absolutely. I was talking about the speculation put forth by the people in this thread, however.

All of the issues you raised (nanotechnology, creating the militia to reestablish order) were things I mentioned in my previous posts. The showrunners have been deliberately vague and haven't mentioned anything about nanotechnology or any other "handwaving" mechanism behind the blackout as far as I am aware, so the criticism seemed directed at me specifically. If it was not, then I apologize for misreading your meaning.
The nanotech criticisms were not directed at you. For what it's worth, I've more or less assumed you are right in your guesses about what tack the writers will take. Perhaps I shouldn't criticize them ahead of time? I'm sort of thinking out loud about the show.

I am also aware that no one yet has actually endorsed the villains on the show. But I don't think that it makes much difference since the supposed moral issues are consequential to the premises. But since the premises are false (my thinking, any who differ will have to post their own views,) then all the choices faced by the characters are false. This makes them irrelevant, along with all criticism of them, both positive and negative.

Good news: It's very likely I will not watch Revolution after Monday's episode, so it is unlikely that there will be much more to post on. I can't resist one more unpleasantness before I go, which is that the grass is remarkably well trimmed in lots and lots of scenes. Given how rapidly the ivy has covered the walls, my guess is that this is merely good gardening, not the Postapocalyptic Ecology.

^^^Given the costs of set decoration, this one is kind of petty I suppose. But I'm so irritated by the notion that an army base commander would simply sit on his base and do nothing for two weeks I'm not feeling generous.
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Old October 7 2012, 05:31 PM   #234
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I just got caught up on this show. I disagree that six months is a long time for a society to disintegrate. You only need to look at hurricane season or something like hurricane Katrina to see that it would happen much more quickly. I have been much more surprised with how mild the scenes of the immediate post-tech world have been.

As for the batteries still working after fifteen years--I have an old Rio mp3 player from 2002 that still holds a charges enough to play for twenty to thirty minutes, and when plugged in still plays fine. I have no problem with all the electronics working for the brief amount of time they were on.
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Old October 7 2012, 05:36 PM   #235
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A makeshift PC with no visible power supply?
Funny, my PC has no visible power supply.
What, like the cord leading to the outlet? I wish I had a desktop PC that didn't need power.
My point exactly. Did you get to view the PC on the show from every angle? Because the version of the show I saw never made that evident. Did we get to see every corner of that attic? no? hmmm, guess there could easily have been batteries powering the pc that we didn't see.
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Old October 7 2012, 06:48 PM   #236
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My point exactly. Did you get to view the PC on the show from every angle? Because the version of the show I saw never made that evident. Did we get to see every corner of that attic? no? hmmm, guess there could easily have been batteries powering the pc that we didn't see.
We had a good enough view of it. We also had a really good view of the inexplicably archaic, CRT, monochrome monitor (where do you even find one of those anymore?!) she was using, too. We also saw an iPhone that managed to hold a full charge for over 15 years with apparently no data loss whatsoever. So I guess with that type of magic around, an also inexplicably hand made PC with an archaic CRT monochrome monitor powered by cookies and sparkly wishes isn't that absurd.
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Old October 7 2012, 08:40 PM   #237
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We had a good enough view of it.
Not really. we only saw it from the front/top. We never saw the back nor did we even get a good look under the desk it was on.

Either way. how the PC was powered is one of the least problems with the magical blackout.
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Old October 7 2012, 09:10 PM   #238
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Either way. how the PC was powered is one of the least problems with the magical blackout.
Maybe for you. But this and the magical effect the blackout had on every aircraft seen on the show (all of them losing all forward momentum and simultaneously entering a flat spin, which is incredibly rare in and of itself) are two of the bigger problems I've had with the show's premise.
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Old October 7 2012, 09:58 PM   #239
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...You only need to look at hurricane season or something like hurricane Katrina to see that it would happen much more quickly....
Might I suggest that on the contrary Katrina is an excellent case that shows how notions of the mob instantly destroying everything is ideology, not fact, nor even reasonable speculation? Katrina was widely reported as a massive breakdown in law and order, with widespread looting and really gruesome horror stories, centered largely on the Superdome.

These dramatic anecdotes make a powerful impression. But that's exactly why you have to consciously articulate the bias of the mass media. The ideology in the Katrina case was of course racism, but there was also the government interest in distracting attention from its failure to take action even to properly evacuate the neighborhoods threatened.

Given these imperatives, the news media which have internalized the official ideology and have been deliberately structured to be "responsible" (i.e., confirm, not contest) embarked on a carnival of racist slander. Shots fired to attract the help of rescuers were instantly promoted into deliberate mad dog assaults.

Looting was the story when the public interest meant the important story was the indifference of the government to the people's welfare, as opposed to the oil refineries' welfare. Not even the networks could completely ignore this, especially when the loathesome president went out of his way to praise the obviously inadequate efforts. But how many national news reports investigated why school buses were not used in evacuations instead of what particular kind of merchandise people took from a doomed Wal-Mart?

Outright fabrications about the Superdome were lovingly detailed with lascivious delight. Those stories were so appallingly vivid that the movie Sarah's Key compared the Superdome to one phase of a Nazi roundup of Jews in Paris in 1942! Nonetheless the absence of lurid trials for the alleged rapesand other violence should powerfully suggest to all but the most die hard racists that there was something horribly wrong with the reporting. In particular, the discovery that the worst atrocity in Katrina was in fact a relatively well to do white neighborhood spawning a vigilante group that murdered African Americans trying to escape through "their" neighborhood.

No, I think Katrina is instead a powerful lesson that racism and other ideologies slandering the mass of the people on behalf of the rulers, who prize the order protecting their property above all else are alive and well. The belief that humans will devolve into an instant mob when or if the powers that be lose their grip is reactionary, even if the lovable capitalists on DS9 thought so.

When the news media reported on Haiti, where they were foreigners unable to dominate all reportage, they were so consumed with their vulgar racism and backwardness they were baffled at their inability to find real instances of the anarchy their bigoted ideas predicted. It was much easier when they had an effective monopoly on the news, and their government was providing all the official information! In the end, they resorted to claiming the US invasion was a humanitarian mission instead.

Again, the sequel is never as vivid as an anecdote. The US has arranged to prevent the largest political party from running a candidate in the presidential election, making the current president a puppet responsible to his foreign masters instead of a democratic leader chosen by a free and fair election.

The terrain Revolution is plowing is well manured, but I think it just stinks.
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Old October 8 2012, 01:08 AM   #240
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(all of them losing all forward momentum and simultaneously entering a flat spin, which is incredibly rare in and of itself) are two of the bigger problems I've had with the show's premise.
So, "all" in this context is based on a known set of one crash seen on screen?
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