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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old October 2 2012, 06:15 PM   #1
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Which movie does Kirk cherish his flaws?

In one of the movies (I believe it was a feature film) there is a scene where Kirk has dialogue with someone about his weaknesses – his historical failings and character flaws. He states something to the effect that he derives great motivation from these imperfections; he NEEDS them (surely said with a grimace and a clenched fist.) He is NOT ashamed. They are what drive him to do the great things he does.

Which movie was that?

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Old October 2 2012, 06:20 PM   #2
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In one of the movies (I believe it was a feature film) there is a scene where Kirk has dialogue with someone about his weaknesses – his historical failings and character flaws. He states something to the effect that he derives great motivation from these imperfections; he NEEDS them (surely said with a grimace and a clenched fist.) He is NOT ashamed. They are what drive him to do the great things he does.

Which movie was that?

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That's Star Trek V: The Final Frontier.

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Old October 2 2012, 06:28 PM   #3
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Re: Which movie does Kirk cherish his flaws?

Thank you! I'll watch it tonight.
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Old October 2 2012, 06:29 PM   #4
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Re: Which movie does Kirk cherish his flaws?

No problem.

FYI: The scene you're thinking of takes place near the end, when Kirk confronts "God" on an alien planet . . . .

And, if you're interested, Kirk comes to a similar realization in "The Enemy Within," one of the original TV episodes. (Written by Richard Matheson.)
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Old October 3 2012, 06:35 PM   #5
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Re: Which movie does Kirk cherish his flaws?

It's scenes like this that I feel elevate this movie above the "drek" that many would accuse it of being. There is substance there.
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Old October 3 2012, 07:48 PM   #6
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Re: Which movie does Kirk cherish his flaws?

I've always maintained that if you ignore much of the 'God at the center of the galaxy' story and focus on the character moments between Kirk, Spock, and McCoy, then ST:V is a much more enjoyable film.
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Old October 3 2012, 10:16 PM   #7
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Re: Which movie does Kirk cherish his flaws?

Agreed. Trek V may be a good movie "in spite of" much, rather than "because", but it's still a good movie.
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Old October 4 2012, 03:09 AM   #8
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It had its moments, I suppose, but it's still pretty much of a mess.
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Old October 5 2012, 12:52 PM   #9
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Re: Which movie does Kirk cherish his flaws?

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And, if you're interested, Kirk comes to a similar realization in "The Enemy Within," one of the original TV episodes. (Written by Richard Matheson.)
I think that is one of the more underrated TOS episodes. I know it's a little cheesey and they stuck a horn on a dog, but I think the premise that we need our 'dark side' so to speak, albeit tempered, is valid.
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Old October 5 2012, 01:38 PM   #10
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Re: Which movie does Kirk cherish his flaws?

Kirk cherishing his flaws/pain gives him a nice character moment but only at the expense of trashing the rest of the cast's characters, since none of them apparently were deep thinkers and easily gave in to Sybok's pain-sharing blabber.
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Old October 5 2012, 08:31 PM   #11
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Re: Which movie does Kirk cherish his flaws?

Jimi_James wrote: View Post
I've always maintained that if you ignore much of the 'God at the center of the galaxy' story and focus on the character moments between Kirk, Spock, and McCoy, then ST:V is a much more enjoyable film.
I agree with this. Ignore the plot. Focus on the friendship between the Big 3. It's so much better than way.
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Old October 7 2012, 04:32 AM   #12
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No problem.

FYI: The scene you're thinking of takes place near the end, when Kirk confronts "God" on an alien planet . . . .
Isn't it actually during an earlier scene? The one where we see Sarek's disapproval of Spock's humanity and the suffering of McCoy's father.
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Old October 7 2012, 05:11 PM   #13
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No problem.

FYI: The scene you're thinking of takes place near the end, when Kirk confronts "God" on an alien planet . . . .
Isn't it actually during an earlier scene? The one where we see Sarek's disapproval of Spock's humanity and the suffering of McCoy's father.
Hmm. You could be right. I confess I haven't watched the movie in years.
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Old October 7 2012, 05:21 PM   #14
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Re: Which movie does Kirk cherish his flaws?

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No problem.

FYI: The scene you're thinking of takes place near the end, when Kirk confronts "God" on an alien planet . . . .
Isn't it actually during an earlier scene? The one where we see Sarek's disapproval of Spock's humanity and the suffering of McCoy's father.
Yeah, thats when it happened.
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Old October 14 2012, 06:10 PM   #15
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That movie was used for torture prisoners somewhere.
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