7X05 The Angels Take Manhattan (Grading/Discussion) (SPOILERS!) - Page 26

Orac Zen · October 6 2012, 11:17 AM

Just finished watching the ep again and I'm wondering (again, though I've not mentioned it before) about the Rolls Royce reference (as the Doctor leaves the TARDIS after primping for River). What the heck is that about?

"I will never be able to see you again".

I repeat: As much as I dislike the notion of the Ponds being gone for good, I want Moffat et al to stick to it. No RTD-style bullshit where a supposedly unchangeable scenario is undone. Leave it as it is.

Judge Death wrote:

* The only show I proselytize about is Blakes 7. You will love Blakes 7, or else...

Preach it.

Wereghost · October 6 2012, 03:02 PM

Orac Zen wrote:

Just finished watching the ep again and I'm wondering (again, though I've not mentioned it before) about the Rolls Royce reference (as the Doctor leaves the TARDIS after primping for River). What the heck is that about?

Probably just something used or replicated by the TARDIS when rebuilding the console room in The Eleventh Hour. The typewriter on the console also has a brand name attached to it, albeit a fictitious one. (Also, I think hubcaps or replicas thereof were used for roundels.)

Chris3123 · October 6 2012, 11:21 PM

Cutter John wrote:

Someone so needs to remove the DW logo and Photoshop a spine and back cover so I can paste it onto an old paperback.

The BBC folks themselves actually made an image of the cover of the book in the episode. This was on the official DW website:

Cutter John · October 7 2012, 07:35 AM

Chris3123 wrote:

Cutter John wrote:

Someone so needs to remove the DW logo and Photoshop a spine and back cover so I can paste it onto an old paperback.

The BBC folks themselves actually made an image of the cover of the book in the episode. This was on the official DW website:

Many thanks. I would have have missed that completely.

*sigh* Its such a bummer to have a Saturday without a new Who episode.

throwback · October 7 2012, 01:32 PM

The only episode that I felt had no pacing issues was "A Town Called Mercy". Every other episode felt rushed. The worst one was "The Power of Three". I feel that behind the scenes that something was going on with Doctor Who this year. Whatever that was, it had an impact on the series. For me, this has been a disappointing season. I feel that they need to hire better writers who can work within the confines of the 45 minute episode.

Mr Light · October 7 2012, 05:20 PM

I did read a Moffat interview where they said this season they were trying to cram a 90 minute movie of the week into 45 minutes every episode.

Mr Pointy Ears · October 8 2012, 02:16 AM

Even before the the epsiode ended,i had a feeling how the ponds were going to leave.

Kruezerman · October 8 2012, 02:19 AM

Mr Light wrote:

I did read a Moffat interview where they said this season they were trying to cram a 90 minute movie of the week into 45 minutes every episode.

And that I think is the problem, he's trying too hard to put too much in. It all turns into a jumbled mess.

The Mirrorball Man · October 8 2012, 05:21 AM

Kruezerman wrote:

And that I think is the problem, he's trying too hard to put too much in. It all turns into a jumbled mess.

I'd rather have a jumbled mess full of insane ideas than a classic three-act structure with an A plot and a B plot. Innovation trumps familiarity, as far as I'm concerned.

Ghost Bones · October 8 2012, 12:54 PM

Not really innovative though is it?

The Wormhole · October 8 2012, 02:07 PM

Mr Pointy Ears wrote:

Even before the the epsiode ended,i had a feeling how the ponds were going to leave.

I take it you must not read anything about the show in advance, either spoilers or official statements from BBC or Moffat? Because we've known since the spring that this would the episode where the Ponds were going to leave. Indeed, Moffat himself revealed the Weeping Angels were going to be in the Ponds' farewell episode.

Starkers · October 8 2012, 02:22 PM

Once I knew it was the Angels, I highly suspected how it'd end, and actually I'm ok with that, sometimes you don't want your expectations confounded

Yminale · October 8 2012, 05:46 PM

The Mirrorball Man wrote:

Kruezerman wrote:

And that I think is the problem, he's trying too hard to put too much in. It all turns into a jumbled mess.

I'd rather have a jumbled mess full of insane ideas than a classic three-act structure with an A plot and a B plot. Innovation trumps familiarity, as far as I'm concerned.

Uhm NO! Something that is familiar but well done is a lot better than a crazy mess.

Yminale · October 8 2012, 05:49 PM

Mr Light wrote:

I did read a Moffat interview where they said this season they were trying to cram a 90 minute movie of the week into 45 minutes every episode.

This has been a problem since nuWho began. nuWho can do intimate character pieces real well, but epic storytelling, forget it. Even two parters seem to lose steam in the end.

Maybe I've been spoiled by the great audio dramas from Big Finish but very few episodes have matched the quality of the better classic TV episodes.

Kruezerman · October 8 2012, 05:50 PM

The Mirrorball Man wrote:

Kruezerman wrote:

And that I think is the problem, he's trying too hard to put too much in. It all turns into a jumbled mess.

I'd rather have a jumbled mess full of insane ideas than a classic three-act structure with an A plot and a B plot. Innovation trumps familiarity, as far as I'm concerned.

Innovation is great, it's what's keeping the industry alive, but if the story can't be followed and it jumps all over the place, what's the point?

Surely one can have both, surely the BBC, one of the world's largest media conglomerates knows this.

View Poll Results: Grade "The Angels Take Manhattan"
The girl who waited	100	64.52%
Something borrowed	35	22.58%
Average	10	6.45%
Is it bad that I really miss this?	3	1.94%
You're Scottish, fry something	7	4.52%
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October 7 2012, 01:32 PM	#380
throwback Captain	Re: 7X05 The Angels Take Manhattan (Grading/Discussion) (SPOILERS!) The only episode that I felt had no pacing issues was "A Town Called Mercy". Every other episode felt rushed. The worst one was "The Power of Three". I feel that behind the scenes that something was going on with Doctor Who this year. Whatever that was, it had an impact on the series. For me, this has been a disappointing season. I feel that they need to hire better writers who can work within the confines of the 45 minute episode.

October 7 2012, 05:20 PM	#381
Mr Light Admiral Location: Pennsylvania	Re: 7X05 The Angels Take Manhattan (Grading/Discussion) (SPOILERS!) I did read a Moffat interview where they said this season they were trying to cram a 90 minute movie of the week into 45 minutes every episode. __________________

October 8 2012, 02:16 AM	#382
Mr Pointy Ears Commander Location: Adelaide,australia	Re: 7X05 The Angels Take Manhattan (Grading/Discussion) (SPOILERS!) Even before the the epsiode ended,i had a feeling how the ponds were going to leave.

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