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Old October 1 2012, 11:09 PM   #166
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Re: Did Kirk captain any ship before Enterprise?

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The first example of that which comes to mind is "The Galileo Seven,"
The Paradise Syndrome is another, not Spock at his best.


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Old October 2 2012, 12:54 AM   #167
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For the most part your timeline of Kirk's life is pretty damn good, and I see nothing wrong with any of your assumptions or anything.
except for the fact that Kirk was born in 2233 and would be 16 in 2249. And thats fixable just by subtraction a year from his age in the timeline.
Oops. For some reason I had it in my head that he said he was 35 in The Deadly Years. But he actually states that he's 34. Sorry about that.
Meh, it was a minor error and outside of the age error the timeline was spot on, at least I think it is.
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Old October 2 2012, 06:51 AM   #168
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The Paradise Syndrome is another, not Spock at his best.
Well, he angers his underlings in both episodes. But in the first, he acts rashly, choosing high risk alternatives, and gets people killed. In the second, he acts with premeditation (and during-meditation!), ignores the obvious but fruitless courses of quick action, and succeeds in everything at the cost of no lives. That IMHO is Spock at his best, and this amounts to a triumph. Even when Kirk and McCoy's inferior choices at the teaser result in considerable jeopardy.

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Old October 2 2012, 11:42 AM   #169
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Re: Did Kirk captain any ship before Enterprise?

Granted, Spock may have not been at his best in The Galileo Seven. But I'd say neither was Kirk in Obsession, for example.

So my original point still stands? Nobody is infallible, but they're both capable officers.
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Old October 3 2012, 07:52 PM   #170
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Granted, Spock may have not been at his best in The Galileo Seven. But I'd say neither was Kirk in Obsession, for example.

So my original point still stands? Nobody is infallible, but they're both capable officers.
I think Kirk was a wonderfully flawed character. Obsession, Deadly Years, even Naked Time, really highlight some of his borderline traits.
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Old October 3 2012, 08:55 PM   #171
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Granted, Spock may have not been at his best in The Galileo Seven. But I'd say neither was Kirk in Obsession, for example.

So my original point still stands? Nobody is infallible, but they're both capable officers.
I think Kirk was a wonderfully flawed character. Obsession, Deadly Years, even Naked Time, really highlight some of his borderline traits.
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Old October 6 2012, 11:43 AM   #172
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The closest we got to this in TOS was in "The Immunity Syndrome" when Spock called the Enterprise the finest starship in the fleet.
I might be misremembering, but i don't think he said that.
Spock certainly did say that. But it's not something to be taken literally. The circumstances were emotional: I think Spock was just indulging the tendency of officers & crew to say their ship is the best ship, and their shipmates the best crew.

Think of the string quartet playing on the deck of the Titanic, and imagine the first violin saying to the others, "It's a privilege to play with you gentlemen, you are the finest players in the world. Now let's pick up the waltz, one-two-three...." Then the ship sinks. It's a traditional powerful, noble sentiment. But it's not necessarily to be taken literally, ie that viola player really is the best in the world.

Point being, Spock said it, but it's not relevant to this talk of flagship / not flagship etc.
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