"Nor the Battle to the Strong"...

Distorted Humor · October 5 2012, 04:36 AM

I just finished watching this episode, and two things came to mind.

I can't decide if this is a good episode or not, at some points it has its strong points, and other times it seems so hamfisted that it not worth watching.

and Secondly, is there where Bashir is replaced by the founder? or is it a later episode?

Jono · October 5 2012, 05:08 AM

No, Bashir was taken off a different planet and happened off screen. The best we can do with time is that Moore said it happened before "Rapture".

NKemp3 · October 5 2012, 07:51 PM

It is a good episode that falls short of being great.

It could have been better. If the episode had concentrated even more on Bashir and Jake and taken away most of the scenes with Sisko worrying about his son (which led to another Sisko hugging Jake and kissing him on the head during their reunion). And while I applaud the decision to make Jake run away from the situation (it is more realistic), I think Jake owning up to his cowardness was not enough. He should have lived with the shame of it more even if rationally speaking he didn't do anything wrong. It would have been a nice followup if TPTB had mentioned that a main reason for his decision to stay aboard DS9 during "Call To Arms" was that he wanted to try to make ammends from running away from danger During "Nor the Battle...". Last of all the episode needed to be more gritty. The war stuff on that planet looked a little too clean for my tastes.

Spock/Uhura Fan · October 5 2012, 08:26 PM

I thought this episode was great.

"Hamfisted" is something we could say about a lot of Star Trek. Star Trek is known not so much for high-drama, but higher concepts. This episode fit that bill perfectly.

R. Star · October 6 2012, 07:53 PM

I enjoyed this episode immensely. It really put you in the viewpoint of a regular person in the Trek verse as opposed to the regular heroes who aren't afraid of anything and will always do the right thing when things get tough.

Jake's hardly among my favorite characters, but this is an episode where you really feel for him a lot and they captured his viewpoint of everything from being annoyed by Bashir's babbling to fleeing from the battle because he's scared quite well.

This is my second favorite Jake episode, nothing being able to trump the Visitor. This is also the only freaking episode where artillery is used in ground combat. So points for realism there.

toughlittleship · October 7 2012, 10:40 PM

Definitely an interesting episode. The episode does a good job of making the Klingons genuinely seem like a race to be feared again.

Jimi_James · October 7 2012, 11:16 PM

Zombie Redshirt wrote:

I enjoyed this episode immensely. It really put you in the viewpoint of a regular person in the Trek verse as opposed to the regular heroes who aren't afraid of anything and will always do the right thing when things get tough.

Jake's hardly among my favorite characters, but this is an episode where you really feel for him a lot and they captured his viewpoint of everything from being annoyed by Bashir's babbling to fleeing from the battle because he's scared quite well.

This is my second favorite Jake episode, nothing being able to trump the Visitor. This is also the only freaking episode where artillery is used in ground combat. So points for realism there.

Pretty much everything here...I agree with. This is one of the best war episodes of the entire series and I would rank it highly among best overall episodes of the series. Perhaps not in the top ten, but definitely in the top 20.

DonIago · October 7 2012, 11:28 PM

The only firm "complaint" that I have about the episode is that I feel it suffers in comparison to "The Siege of AR-558" (hopefully got that right).

October 5 2012, 04:36 AM	#1
Distorted Humor Fleet Captain Location: Z'ha'dum	"Nor the Battle to the Strong"... I just finished watching this episode, and two things came to mind. I can't decide if this is a good episode or not, at some points it has its strong points, and other times it seems so hamfisted that it not worth watching. and Secondly, is there where Bashir is replaced by the founder? or is it a later episode? __________________ In the Marmalade forest (forest), between the make believe trees, in a cottage cheese cottage! Lives Albie, (Albie,) Albie, (Albie,) Albie the Racist Dragon...

October 5 2012, 05:08 AM	#2
Jono Rear Admiral Location: Australia	Re: "Nor the Battle to the Strong"... No, Bashir was taken off a different planet and happened off screen. The best we can do with time is that Moore said it happened before "Rapture". __________________ Those who lose dreaming are lost.

October 5 2012, 07:51 PM	#3
NKemp3 Commodore	Re: "Nor the Battle to the Strong"... It is a good episode that falls short of being great. It could have been better. If the episode had concentrated even more on Bashir and Jake and taken away most of the scenes with Sisko worrying about his son (which led to another Sisko hugging Jake and kissing him on the head during their reunion). And while I applaud the decision to make Jake run away from the situation (it is more realistic), I think Jake owning up to his cowardness was not enough. He should have lived with the shame of it more even if rationally speaking he didn't do anything wrong. It would have been a nice followup if TPTB had mentioned that a main reason for his decision to stay aboard DS9 during "Call To Arms" was that he wanted to try to make ammends from running away from danger During "Nor the Battle...". Last of all the episode needed to be more gritty. The war stuff on that planet looked a little too clean for my tastes. __________________ You will be missed, Richard Biggs 1961 - too soon

October 5 2012, 08:26 PM	#4
Spock/Uhura Fan Captain Location: Where It's At.	Re: "Nor the Battle to the Strong"... I thought this episode was great. "Hamfisted" is something we could say about a lot of Star Trek. Star Trek is known not so much for high-drama, but higher concepts. This episode fit that bill perfectly. __________________ “I got red in my ledger. I’d like to wipe it out.” - Natasha Romanoff on Second Chances

October 6 2012, 07:53 PM	#5
R. Star Commodore Location: Terra 3	Re: "Nor the Battle to the Strong"... I enjoyed this episode immensely. It really put you in the viewpoint of a regular person in the Trek verse as opposed to the regular heroes who aren't afraid of anything and will always do the right thing when things get tough. Jake's hardly among my favorite characters, but this is an episode where you really feel for him a lot and they captured his viewpoint of everything from being annoyed by Bashir's babbling to fleeing from the battle because he's scared quite well. This is my second favorite Jake episode, nothing being able to trump the Visitor. This is also the only freaking episode where artillery is used in ground combat. So points for realism there. __________________ "I was never a Star Trek fan." J.J. Abrams

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October 7 2012, 10:40 PM	#6
toughlittleship Fleet Captain Location: United Kingdom	Re: "Nor the Battle to the Strong"... Definitely an interesting episode. The episode does a good job of making the Klingons genuinely seem like a race to be feared again.

October 7 2012, 11:28 PM	#8
DonIago Rear Admiral Location: Burlington, VT, USA	Re: "Nor the Battle to the Strong"... The only firm "complaint" that I have about the episode is that I feel it suffers in comparison to "The Siege of AR-558" (hopefully got that right). __________________ --DonIago It was the best of Trek, it was the worst of Trek... "If I lean over, I leave myself open to wedgies, wet willies, or even the dreaded Rear Admiral!"