First Presidential Debate

[Spock/Uhura Fan]

^Very cute avatar.
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I can't vote on this poll because I started watching the debate and then realized that it wouldn't matter because at this point I have a gist of the both of them and so it wasn't going to change my vote. I did read about it. Pretty sad what happened to Big Bird, though.



At 43, it looks like he's been threatened with facing some of the same challenges the rest of America is.

[gturner]

About 50 seconds into the animated version of the debate, just after he punches Leher in the face, Romney cuts Big Bird in half with a chain saw, sending gobbits of meat and blood splashing on the muppets in the audience.

[Showdown]

I heard Romney won though.

[bigdaddy]

A MASSIVE liar and a wimp.

I see no winners, and we are all the losers.

[Davros]

indianatrekker26 wrote:

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moral and ethical = Obama????????? I don't follow politics all that closely, but those are not two words i would use to describe Obama. Socialist, yes, MORAL and ETHICAL,, no.

Maybe you should talk to some actual Socialists. They sure don't consider the center right Obama to be one of their own.

[RJDiogenes]

Grim Reaper wrote:

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As were John Adams and Thomas Jefferson then....

Those damned Founding Fathers actually wanted us to promote the general welfare.

[Drago-Kazov]

KimM wrote:

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If you are American it makes a great difference if you are not a one percenter who needs social security and health insurance and cannot pay for those out of your own pocket.

If you are not American it makes a great difference if you are in need of international aid. Romney was willing to let th US automotive system go to hell - his own countrypeople. Imagine how he would feel about bailing out Spain, Greece or the rest of the EEU.

And if you are an international ally you might not wish to be dragged into the military disaster he could blunder us into - would you wish to be dragged into a war that keeping his mouth shut to mollify the fundamental right who voted him in could have prevented?

In other words, it makes a great difference to everyone.



http://news.yahoo.com/romneys-strong...150035684.html

If you are American it makes a great difference if you are not a one percenter who needs social security and health insurance and cannot pay for those out of your own pocket.

I have doubts about Romney cutting too much out of that. He sort of came up with Obamacare afterall.

If you are not American it makes a great difference if you are in need of international aid.

Most aid is about US geopolitical interests. Mubarak got plenty and i don't see given the tough state of the US why shouldn't the US keep that money and spend it at home. Romney is an imperalist so the money will keep flowing.

Romney was willing to let th US automotive system go to hell - his own countrypeople.

I have no idea how would he had decided about the auto bailot since i don't belve a word of what he is saying.

Imagine how he would feel about bailing out Spain, Greece or the rest of the EEU.

At some point these countries have to step up and make structural adjustments, they cannot live on bailouts forever.

And if you are an international ally you might not wish to be dragged into the military disaster he could blunder us into - would you wish to be dragged into a war that keeping his mouth shut to mollify the fundamental right who voted him in could have prevented?

Obama is just as hawkish about Syria and Iran as Romney. Why are economic sanctions needed against Iran? Why not against israel if the same rules aply?

It make no great difference which one gets elected.

[Whoa Nellie]

Spock/Uhura Fan wrote:

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Pretty sad what happened to Big Bird, though.



At 43, it looks like he's been threatened with facing some of the same challenges the rest of America is.

With the Sesame Workshop having earned about 1.5 billion (with a B) dollars in profit from merchandising, Big Bird is not hurting for money. This does not surprise anyone who has raised kids and has spent money on toys, clothes and other merchandise with the Sesame Street characters.

Edited to add: I noticed that a shopping link had been added to the words Sesame Street in my post. I'm not sure how long the link will be there but !

[horatio83]

Drago-Kazov wrote:

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At some point these countries have to step up and make structural adjustments, they cannot live on bailouts forever.

I do not think that this comparison is valid as such a mess could never occur in the US. Unlike the ECB the Fed would immediately indirectly finance the respective state if it had to face high interests rates on its bonds and were about to becomes bankrupt.
But of course the Republicans have recently demonstrated that they are willing to fuck up public finances in the name of fiscal conservatism in order to implement their agenda (which has of course nothing to do with balancing the budget but reducing taxes on the rich, increasing military spending and so on).
If I did not know for whom I should vote the last year's republican irresponsible balanced budget amendment nonsense which threatened to freeze public expenditures and basically make the state collapse would suffice to convince me to not vote for some Joker in the White House who does not mind to see the world burn.

[KimM]

Drago-Kazov wrote:

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I have doubts about Romney cutting too much out of that. He sort of came up with Obamacare afterall.


he has to make some show of making good on the promises he has made to the far right. He has a lot of disparate interests to pelase, poor Mitt.


Most aid is about US geopolitical interests. Mubarak got plenty and i don't see given the tough state of the US why shouldn't the US keep that money and spend it at home. Romney is an imperalist so the money will keep flowing.



I have no idea how would he had decided about the auto bailot since i don't belve a word of what he is saying.

At some point these countries have to step up and make structural adjustments, they cannot live on bailouts forever.

Germany would agree. But the failure of either of those will pull down the EEU and if not sink AMerica's boat certainly gte us pretty sloshed, we've taken on a lot of water already we don't want any more.

Obama is just as hawkish about Syria and Iran as Romney. Why are economic sanctions needed against Iran? Why not against israel if the same rules aply?

Obama has turned out to have a lot more spine that a lot of voters gave him credit for.

The same rules would apply if Iran were a true ally and did not denounce us as the devil at every turn and fund and encourage terrorism.

It make no great difference which one gets elected.

If it makes no difference to you, stay home and quit yer bitching.

[Drago-Kazov]

Freedom of speech still aplies, Sorry.

[KimM]

that was a lame, lazy response, you are right, sorry.

what I meant to say was you seem to have put a lot of thought into something you don't think matters very much.

[Spock/Uhura Fan]

Whoa Nellie wrote:

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With the Sesame Workshop having earned about 1.5 billion (with a B) dollars in profit from merchandising, Big Bird is not hurting for money. This does not surprise anyone who has raised kids and has spent money on toys, clothes and other merchandise with the Sesame Street characters.

Edited to add: I noticed that a shopping link had been added to the words Sesame Street in my post. I'm not sure how long the link will be there but !

Oh, Nellie, I know. When I read about this part of the debate, I also read a Sesame Street spokeswoman's quotes, letting everybody know that Sesame Street doesn't get a penny of public funding for its show. She mentioned that they are funded through licensing, philanthropic donations, and something else I can't remember, but it wasn't merchandise (which I think falls under licensing). What was mentioned, at least in my reading, is that its the stations (especially the smaller rural ones) that are going to suffer and real people are going to have a hard time keeping their jobs if PBS loses its funding under Romney.

Like many, I was just using Big Bird to make a point.

(And with their cuddly toy success, I imagine parents will be fighting each other come this Black Friday for the last Soup-Kitchen-Big-Bird and Fire-Me-Elmo, in stores soon! )

[gturner]

I think they might have a point.

[nightwind1]

SimpleLogic wrote:

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I actually like to see them in this type of forum to see how they communicate. I think that Obama came off as looking like he was reaching for answers sometimes, mainly because of his speaking style of uhh...uhh.

I've always thought he speaks that way because he's actually thinking about what he wants to say, rather than vomiting out whatever talking points were handed to him that morning by his handler (like most politicians).