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View Poll Results: Who won the first debate?
Barack Obama 6 15.79%
Mitt Romney 32 84.21%
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Old October 4 2012, 10:55 PM   #31
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How can a guy who has not restored Habeas corpus and spreads terror in Pakistan be "a moral and ethical good"? Gee, I'd probably also vote for him if I were an American citizen but not with false illusions.
Sad but true. Obama's foreign policy has been horrifying--and not for the reasons Republicans think. Obama's carried on and intensified the Bush Doctrine. He's engaged in electronic warfare against Iran, violated Pakistan's territory any time he liked, assassinated American citizens without trial, and bullied our allies at every turn. Republicans should be in love with his foreign policy, because it's hard to distinguish from Bush's--apart from, I suppose, the fact that Obama's twist on it is much more ruthlessly deliberate.
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Old October 4 2012, 11:04 PM   #32
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Obama won the last election on the strength of his personality. If Romney is coming across with more charisma now, Obama is in trouble. As are we all.

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No matter who wins the election, half this country will be mad about it.
Since only about half of the people bother to vote, about three quarters will be mad about it.
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Old October 4 2012, 11:13 PM   #33
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Obama won the last election on the strength of his personality. If Romney is coming across with more charisma now, Obama is in trouble. As are we all.

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No matter who wins the election, half this country will be mad about it.
Since only about half of the people bother to vote, about three quarters will be mad about it.
Very True.
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Old October 4 2012, 11:18 PM   #34
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I wish Romney hadn't won, but he did. He spanked President Obama and bad. He didn't have the facts on his side, but Mittens trounced in style and delivery and to most Americans it's style and delivery that determine the winner of a Presidential debate. Romney was full of his usual malarkey, but Obama looked like he didn't even want to be there on his wedding anniversary and it showed. Complete, bored autopilot all the way.
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Old October 4 2012, 11:23 PM   #35
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As utterly fascinating as it is to hear people repeatedly say they have no interest in politics or in voting for either of the candidates, how about not drowning out the thread with that stuff and leaving it to people who are actually interested and engaged about the election?

[edit] This is obviously not directed at you Eddie, just a general comment to people in the thread.
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Old October 4 2012, 11:26 PM   #36
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moral and ethical = Obama????????? I don't follow politics all that closely, but those are not two words i would use to describe Obama. Socialist, yes, MORAL and ETHICAL,, no.

I don't follow politics all that closely,
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Oh, I knew it wasn't. You were cool, don't worry.
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Old October 4 2012, 11:52 PM   #38
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moral and ethical = Obama????????? I don't follow politics all that closely, but those are not two words i would use to describe Obama. Socialist, yes, MORAL and ETHICAL,, no.
Obama is like Clinton a Third Way social-democrat, i.e. a centrist. Big step from there to being an actual social democrat and a big step from social democracy to socialism.
I agree though that there has been socialism in the US during the last decade, socialism for the military, socialism for Halliburton, socialism for Goldmann Sachs, socialism for the rich.
agree with you there, Horatio83.
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Old October 5 2012, 12:53 AM   #39
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I agree that choosing a candidate to vote for and support is an important thing to many people (including myself, at times). However, IMO, I don't see much thoughtful and careful choosing involved when there are only TWO choices.. people are forced to confront the whole "lesser of two evils" bs and pretty much abandon some issues that they find important and relevant because those issues are not important in their candidate's eyes. This is unfortunate.



..and this is why, in conclusion, I should be president. Obviously.
The thing is, I'm not choosing between the lesser of two evils, I'm choosing a moral and ethical good by voting for Obama.
moral and ethical = Obama????????? I don't follow politics all that closely, but those are not two words i would use to describe Obama. Socialist, yes, MORAL and ETHICAL,, no.
I'm not certain you know what the term "socialist" actually means, if you're applying it to Obama. Of course, this is explained by your first sentence, where you stated that you don't follow politics all that closely.

I'm not being snarky when I say this, but I would recommend you read up on the difference between political, social, and economic ideologies before calling someone a socialist.
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I'm not so sure I'd worry about it, J.

I suppose that the next thing he's going to tell us is that FDR and LBJ were both socialists because they supported (respectively) Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid
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Old October 5 2012, 01:18 AM   #41
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I'm not so sure I'd worry about it, J.

I suppose that the next thing he's going to tell us is that FDR and LBJ were both socialists because they supported (respectively) Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid
And Ben Franklin was a socialist because he lived in France for a while.
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Romney won on being energetic while Obama won on substance.
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Old October 5 2012, 01:45 AM   #43
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I'm not so sure I'd worry about it, J.

I suppose that the next thing he's going to tell us is that FDR and LBJ were both socialists because they supported (respectively) Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid
And Ben Franklin was a socialist because he lived in France for a while.
As were John Adams and Thomas Jefferson then....
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Old October 5 2012, 02:00 AM   #44
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I'm not so sure I'd worry about it, J.

I suppose that the next thing he's going to tell us is that FDR and LBJ were both socialists because they supported (respectively) Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid
And Ben Franklin was a socialist because he lived in France for a while.
As were John Adams and Thomas Jefferson then....
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I'm not so sure I'd worry about it, J.

I suppose that the next thing he's going to tell us is that FDR and LBJ were both socialists because they supported (respectively) Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid
Good point. I just don't understand why someone will say they don't follow something closely, and then go on to make what appears to be an analysis of that very thing. It would be like me saying "I'm no rocket scientist, but I think we should fill the coolant tanks with banana pudding".
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