My first voyage with Voyager

[teya]

Angry Warrior: gag me. Apparently they didn't beam down the lock box in which Janeway is holding Chakotay's testicles with the supplies.

I find absolutely nothing romantic about the Angry Warrior tale: he's saying that his sole function in life is to make her happy. No relationship can stand the strain of that. It's unhealthy.

Putting a big ol' Indian bow on the package makes it worse.

My least favorite episode of Voyager.

[R. Star]

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You mean Tom and Janeway turning into lizards and making babies is better?

[Qutluch]

Zombie Redshirt wrote:

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You mean Tom and Janeway turning into lizards and making babies is better?

Yup!

[Alpha Flyer]

Zombie Redshirt wrote:

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You mean Tom and Janeway turning into lizards and making babies is better?

Absolutely. (a) They had an excuse. When you cross an imaginary threshold, shit happens. Plus, (b) having sex and making babies (in whatever form) beats telling stories of how you'd LIKE things to be, just because you don't have the guts to DO them. As a lizard, a monkey, or whatever...

[teya]

Zombie Redshirt wrote:

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You mean Tom and Janeway turning into lizards and making babies is better?

Yep.

At least that one had Tom Paris, Beloved Mutant.

[R. Star]

Well I had to ask, didn't I? :P

Really this episode is just a symptom of the series as a whole. Disappointing and it could have been better. Voyager wasn't the worst of the Trek series by any shot, but it could have been the best with a bit more consistent writing and that's what made it so disappointing.

Chakotay's a great example. When I first watched Caretaker I was thinking this guy might end up being my favorite character. The aggressive, adversarial good guy who's done things the Starfleet way but found those ways wanting. Him and Janeway could have had excellent tension and drama between the two of the. The righteous Starfleet captain vs the pragmatic rebel leader.

But after Caretaker he pretty much just faded into the background and the Maquis element virtually vanished from the series. Tom Paris acts more rebellious than Torres or Chakotay. Really it just seemed they shined the light so brightly on Janeway that the only reason a first officer was even there was they needed one, but letting him do anything dramatic might take away from the captain. Really the only episodes he really stands up to her are Scorpion and Equinox. No details, but one case he only does so because she's unconscious and the other Janeway does something so insane any moral human being would have stepped in.

It's really amazing when Chakotay seems cheerful or lifelike it almost always turns out to be an alternate universe, or holodeck simulation. As I said, my theory is Janeway castrated Chakotay after he joined her crew. It's the only explanation.

[teacake]

[teacake]

Thing is I think he spoke too soon. They were only on the planet what, 2 months maximum? I know at some point it is day 24. That is way too early for giving up hope that Voyager will find a solution as well as giving up hope that she will ever see her fiance again.

I couldn't choke down a rewatch though, so I just watched the above video by a past poster here. That's enough for me

[laika]

teacock wrote:

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Or you could become a scientologist.

I haha'd big time. thank you.

[Guy Gardener]

Imagine if Scientology survived to th 24th century.

They'd be sending out star ships to the four corners of known space to find Xenu's fossilized remains.

[Alpha Flyer]

Guy Gardener wrote:

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Imagine if Scientology survived to th 24th century.

They'd be sending out star ships to the four corners of known space to find Xenu's fossilized remains.

And wake Tom Cruise from cryogenic sleep to star in "Mission Impossible 35: Wormhole To Enlightenment."

[teacake]

Alpha Flyer wrote:

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And wake Tom Cruise from cryogenic sleep to star in "Mission Impossible 35: Wormhole To Enlightenment."

to both of these!

And hey, who will they marry Cruise off to in the 24th century.

[Guy Gardener]

His wives keep getting getting younger.

If he doesn't go into stasis, the poor bastard will have to start trawling schoolyards.

[teacake]

The more years a woman lives the more celebrity gossip she absorbs.

They need younger and younger women to minimize the gossip about him that's sunk in.

[Guy Gardener]

Well, he looks damn good for 60, despite his personality or religion.

60 inches.