why was ensign kim not promoted at all in 7 years?

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Guy Gardener wrote:

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On one note I can say that he played the 80 story tall space god Galactus Devourer of Worlds for a few episodes on the Superhero Squad Show... but his 12 episodes on Heroes as Hiro's Dad was pretty good from before the entire series went to the dogs.

Fuck.

He played Doctor Strange's manservant Wong in a Spider-Man cartoon.

Dude must have really needed to eat to give into such an extreme racial stereotype..

I can't even remember the Heroes appearances.. but that show is on my list of things to get back to. It keeps getting further down the list as more people keep telling me it went down hill.

[Dream]

teacock wrote:

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I don't think either of them are sexy and Riker is of course utterly repulsive to me. Picard is a nice guy but I can't ever remember looking at him as remotely hot.

Why do you hate Riker so much? I see you bashing Riker in every other one of your posts!

[Guy Gardener]

The thing is that Pat had stopped appearing to age.

Between 40 and seventy that Sir Stewart is going to look basically the same.

Meanwhile the change from 27 to 35 for a bloke is like dog years squared.

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Dream wrote:

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Why do you hate Riker so much? I see you bashing Riker in every other one of your posts!

I've never done it (or practically never done it--I think there was once an incident) on the TNG forum though.

He's gross, he's like a dog version of every Alpha male stereotype. He barks, he lunges as he walks, he's smarmy, he talks in an aggressive manner in completely unwarranted situations. There is nothing likable about him.

[teacake]

Guy Gardener wrote:

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The thing is that Pat had stopped appearing to age.

Between 40 and seventy that Sir Stewart is going to look basically the same.

Meanwhile the change from 27 to 35 for a bloke is like dog years squared.

How does he manage that anyway.. he keeps in shape which must be a lot of it, and there's no hair to watch go grey.

The big visual slump from youth is muscle tone in the face.

[Guy Gardener]

No he doesn't.

(Probably?)

Men from that generation, from that country.

Pat's just got one of those bodies that looks like normal unless he does something stupid like drink booze every night or add butter to everything.

The problem with most people is that they don't like their bodes natural predilections and fight them.

Can you imagine Pat in a spinning class for 3 hours a day?

[laika]

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teacock wrote:

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He's gross, he's like a dog version of every Alpha male stereotype... There is nothing likable about him.

Can I just say: THANK YOU! And oh, how I completely agree with this.

[teacake]

No he doesn't.. keep in shape? The recent photos I've seen of him he definitely looks like he works out. These are the t shirt wearing pics from cons.

In other words I refuse to believe that this level of non-agedness can be achieved merely by abstaining.

[teacake]

laika wrote:

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Can I just say: THANK YOU! And oh, how I completely agree with this.

YOU are my FRIEND.

[laika]

true.

[teacake]

The whole thread?

[Timewalker]

KingDaniel wrote:

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Harry Kim was an ensign for seven years because Starfleet pays attention to it's recruit's ability levels. Not everyone can be James T. "Four years? I'll do it in three" Kirk.

Compare Star Trek with the Voyager episode "Nightingale" to see how Kirk and Kim's first commands compare.

Here's to the next 40 years of Harry Kim's ensignhood!

You're talking about nuKirk, in which case it DOES NOT COUNT. Besides, on his worst day, Harry Kim could never be as obnoxious as nuKirk.

teacock wrote:

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I watched Flashback last night and found myself thinking, "I like this Captain Sulu! He's exciting!" I wonder how he would have gone with a whole show. He'd be a diplomat like Picard only with swords and a whole lot more humor.

And sexiness. (And yes, I'm a straight female and he's a gay male, and so what?)

Guy Gardener wrote:

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Question is would he have pulled an Ellen?

Gay actor dealing with the Hypocrisy of playing straight for only so long until measures have to be taken.

The thing is, the CHARACTER of Sulu was always shown to be at least heterosexual. He flirted with women, and in the "Generations" movie (much as I loathed that movie), we are told that Sulu has a daughter.

Of course we don't know if Demora Sulu is adopted, cloned, from another universe, found in a cabbage patch, the product of a normal pregnancy achieved in a heterosexual relationship with a woman, the product of a surrogacy arrangement, or whatever.

Another possibility is that the CHARACTER of Sulu is bisexual. My favorite fanfiction series (Valjiir) shows Sulu as openly, unashamedly bisexual, with a variety of lovers from different species, of either sex.

So when it comes down to it, what difference would it make?

Zombie Redshirt wrote:

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There was a lot of speculation that we'd get an Excelsior series instead of Enterprise. All things considered, I think that would have worked out better.

teacock wrote:

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But how good an actor is Takei? He's very fetching in Flashback but it's a brief part and much of the fetchingness is fandoration generated I suspect.

Enterprise screwed with canon something awful, which is why I could never like even the mere existence of the series. And to me, not one of the human/alien characters was likeable. The only character I liked was Porthos.

We should have had a "Captain Sulu" series with the Excelsior. Damn, he proved in the sixth movie and in "Flashback" that he'd be a great starship captain, and just because Takei didn't show up all over the place on network TV like Shatner, Nimoy, and (in B5) Koenig did, that's no reason to assume he wasn't/isn't a perfectly competent actor.

Dream wrote:

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It was funny how Riker was intended to be the sex symbol in early TNG, but Picard completely took over that role with many women that were watching. Patrick Stewart also was able to stay in much better shape than Frakes through the entire series and the movies too.

And what's wrong with Patrick Stewart's chest?

Or any other portion of his anatomy, for that matter? Have you never seen him in I, Claudius?

teacock wrote:

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He's gross, he's like a dog version of every Alpha male stereotype. He barks, he lunges as he walks, he's smarmy, he talks in an aggressive manner in completely unwarranted situations. There is nothing likable about him.

First-season Riker was too damn perfect. He was like a more aggressive and less-sensitive version of TMP's Will Decker. I mean, he's in his quarters and getting off on a holographic projection of angelic women playing harps? Come on! And those "puppy eyes" just made me shudder. Puppy-eyed expressions belong on puppies, not adult human males.

Every other season-Riker... yuck. In addition to the reasons listed upthread, he had this weird tilt to his head and list to his body when he walked, like he was going to tip over. One of my high school math teachers always walked like that - like he had to tilt his head to the side lest he bump it on a ceiling that was still several feet above him, and it drove me crazy! And he'd never sit properly on the bridge - Newsflash, Riker: We know you're male. You didn't need to keep advertising it in every damn episode!

And Jonathan Frakes never had the classical training Patrick Stewart had. It takes a lot of practice and physical training to keep in shape for all those Shakespearean plays and other period pieces. Keeping in shape and eating right are probably as natural to Patrick Stewart as breathing.

[teacake]

Timewalker wrote:

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And what's wrong with Patrick Stewart's chest?

Or any other portion of his anatomy, for that matter? Have you never seen him in I, Claudius?

No, and nothing wrong with his chest I'm just teasing him about his silk dressing gown. Or perhaps I should say I am subtly emasculating him by making derisive and dated comments on his attire.

But hey, at least there were no skant scenes.

[Guy Gardener]

Gene Roddenberry wrote in the adaptation of star Trek the Motion Picture that everyone in the 23rd century was bisexual except Kirk.

[Timewalker]

teacock wrote:

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No, and nothing wrong with his chest I'm just teasing him about his silk dressing gown. Or perhaps I should say I am subtly emasculating him by making derisive and dated comments on his attire.

But hey, at least there were no skant scenes.

Yeah, he'd look pretty stupid in one of those (actually all the TNG characters did).

But Patrick Stewart in a Roman tunic or Praetorian Guard uniform?