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Old October 1 2012, 02:48 PM   #31
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Re: Was Amy's "present" always the future?

The timeline someone posted assumes that when the Doctor dropped them off at Christmas (and they stopped being "regular" travelers) was in 2011, but he may have brought them back sometime after their wedding.
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Old October 1 2012, 04:37 PM   #32
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BTW, the reason Angels Take Manhattan takes place in 2012 probably has to do with the fact that the skyline in 2016 will look obviously different than it does now because the construction of the new World Trade Center will be done. It's better to play it on the safe side and say that it's 2012.

That's not a plot-related reason, of course, but it still makes sense as the reason.
Sounds reasonable.
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Old October 1 2012, 07:52 PM   #33
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Here's a thought, very first shot from 'Angels':



I may need an American eye to confirm, is that the Twin Towers?

If so, that's pre 2001.
Nah, you can see the new World Trade Center being built. It's the bluer-looking building.
So what's the silver squiggly thing at the end of the bridge on the right?
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Old October 1 2012, 08:10 PM   #34
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It appears to be some kind of TV logo.
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Old October 1 2012, 09:25 PM   #35
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Okay, I'm cool with that, just seemed to this furriner it bore an amazing resemblance to pre-2001 WTC.
the one on the right hand side is this little gem

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Old October 1 2012, 11:47 PM   #36
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I suppose, after last week's episode, this could have been an attempt by the Doctor to be a part of the Ponds' lives, rather than the other way around. Instead of grabbing Amy and Rory and taking them to the ass end of the universe for an adventure, he joined them for a quiet afternoon in Central Park.
That's how I understood it. But why go four years back in time for that?
It was the only day they could get tickets for The Book of Mormon.
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Old October 2 2012, 12:20 AM   #37
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My personal Ponds timeline, based on my own guesses:

1989: Amelia Pond and Rory Williams are born ("The Eleventh Hour;" "The Big Bang;" "Let's Kill Hitler")

1996: The Doctor encounters Amelia Pond and Prisoner Zero for the first time; this meeting is later erased from the timeline, though both retain their memories of the event ("The Eleventh Hour;" "The Big Bang")

1996 onwards: Amy Pond recalls the Raggedy Doctor, despite their encounter having been erased from history; her best friend Mels becomes similarly fixated ("Let's Kill Hitler")

2008: The Doctor returns to Leadworth, defeats Prisoner Zero and the Atraxi, and encounters Amy Pond and Rory Williams; this event is later re-written out of history, though all three parties retain their memories of the event ("The Eleventh Hour;" "The Big Bang")

2010: Marriage of Amy Pond and Rory Williams; the Doctor takes Amy with him, and then Rory; the events of Series Five are erased from the timeline by Big Bang 2.0, though the Doctor's restoration to history at the Pond wedding ensures that Williams, Pond, and the Doctor retain their memories of these events ("The Eleventh Hour;" "Flesh and Stone;" "The Vampires of Venice;" "The Pandorica Opens;" "The Big Bang")

2011: Amy Pond and Rory Williams travel to Utah and witness the "death" of the Doctor; Amy's friend Mels is revealed to have been the third regeneration of Melody Pond, the future River Song; the Doctor gives them a house ("The Impossible Astronaut;" "Let's Kill Hitler;" "The God Complex;" "The Wedding of River Song")

25 December 2012: The Doctor returns to the Ponds for the first time after faking his death ("The Doctor, the Widow, and the Wardrobe")

2012 - 2020: The Doctor and the Ponds intermittently travel with the Doctor (Pond Life)

2020: Rory Williams is 31 years old; Rory and Amy are tired of these motherfucking dinosaurs on this motherfucking spaceship ("Dinosaurs on a Spaceship")

2020-2021: Earth invaded by cubes; Amy and Rory leave with the Doctor again ("The Power of Three")

2012: Amy and Rory, having traveled from the year 2021, are displaced to 1938 by the Weeping Angels ("The Angels Take Manhattan")
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Old October 2 2012, 12:41 AM   #38
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My personal Ponds timeline, based on my own guesses:

1989: Amelia Pond and Rory Williams are born ("The Eleventh Hour;" "The Big Bang;" "Let's Kill Hitler")

1996: The Doctor encounters Amelia Pond and Prisoner Zero for the first time; this meeting is later erased from the timeline, though both retain their memories of the event ("The Eleventh Hour;" "The Big Bang")

1996 onwards: Amy Pond recalls the Raggedy Doctor, despite their encounter having been erased from history; her best friend Mels becomes similarly fixated ("Let's Kill Hitler")

2008: The Doctor returns to Leadworth, defeats Prisoner Zero and the Atraxi, and encounters Amy Pond and Rory Williams; this event is later re-written out of history, though all three parties retain their memories of the event ("The Eleventh Hour;" "The Big Bang")

2010: Marriage of Amy Pond and Rory Williams; the Doctor takes Amy with him, and then Rory; the events of Series Five are erased from the timeline by Big Bang 2.0, though the Doctor's restoration to history at the Pond wedding ensures that Williams, Pond, and the Doctor retain their memories of these events ("The Eleventh Hour;" "Flesh and Stone;" "The Vampires of Venice;" "The Pandorica Opens;" "The Big Bang")

2011: Amy Pond and Rory Williams travel to Utah and witness the "death" of the Doctor; Amy's friend Mels is revealed to have been the third regeneration of Melody Pond, the future River Song; the Doctor gives them a house ("The Impossible Astronaut;" "Let's Kill Hitler;" "The God Complex;" "The Wedding of River Song")

25 December 2012: The Doctor returns to the Ponds for the first time after faking his death ("The Doctor, the Widow, and the Wardrobe")

2012 - 2020: The Doctor and the Ponds intermittently travel with the Doctor (Pond Life)

2020: Rory Williams is 31 years old; Rory and Amy are tired of these motherfucking dinosaurs on this motherfucking spaceship ("Dinosaurs on a Spaceship")

2020-2021: Earth invaded by cubes; Amy and Rory leave with the Doctor again ("The Power of Three")

2012: Amy and Rory, having traveled from the year 2021, are displaced to 1938 by the Weeping Angels ("The Angels Take Manhattan")
I agree with much of that, but, I think 2012 - 2020 is far too much Time. The Pond-Williams' have aged 10 years traveling with the Doctor, but, they'll leave a party for 6 weeks, and then pop back into the party, and go on several adventures, then get dropped off back on the day they left. A couple years for the first couple seasons, seems reasonable, and seems to fit, but, the 8 years of aging this season, I think is mostly not passing time for their friends.

2 years s1 and S2
1 1/2 Years for The Cubes

Of the 6 1/2 years remaining, I wouldn't think more than 2/3 of it has passed for their friends
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Old October 2 2012, 01:16 AM   #39
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None of Season 5 was written out of existence. The Big Bang restored practically everything. The Doctor called in favors from people from season 5 and 6 to help in AGMGTW, including Churchill, QE 10, etc...
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Old October 2 2012, 01:30 AM   #40
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I agree with much of that, but, I think 2012 - 2020 is far too much Time.
The problem is that Rory says he's 31 in "Dinosaurs on a Spaceship." We know from "Let's Kill Hitler" that he's Amy's age or younger, and we know that Amy was born in 1989 since she was 7 in 1996.

Granted, this is subjective, but I don't see how Rory could accurately calculate his subjective age including time spent traveling through history with the Doctor. So I took that to mean that he's 31 relative to the Gregorian calender followed by his family. Add to that "The Power of Three"'s scene where Amy says she and Rory have been adventuring with the Doctor off and on for ten years, and that leads me to interpret Amy and Rory as being from the early 2020s in Series Seven.

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None of Season 5 was written out of existence. The Big Bang restored practically everything.
But it also wrote the Cracks out of history; the Cracks never happened. So that shunts the timeline in which Amy grew up without any parents -- in which she met the Doctor when he encountered Prisoner Zero -- into an alternate timeline. Amy remembers both timelines (as established in the Night and the Doctor mini-episodes) simultaneously, in the same way that Rory remembers both the timeline in which he was an Auton for 2,000 years and the timeline in which he first met the Doctor at his wedding simultaneously.

The Doctor called in favors from people from season 5 and 6 to help in AGMGTW, including Churchill,
He had a prior relationship with Churchill, so that doesn't necessarily mean anything.

However, we also know from Series Five that memories and consequences can continue to exist without causes -- Rory still being in a photograph and Amy's engagement ring persisting even after Rory was erased from history, for instance.

QE 10, etc...
I recall no reference to Queen Elizabeth X in "A Good Man Goes to War."
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^ "If the past is another country then 1987 is the Isle of Wight"
You know, I'm usually pretty good trying to figure out British accents, a lot better than most people I know. But man, I sure did screw that one up.
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Old October 2 2012, 02:07 AM   #42
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Wait, Rory and Amy were only 21 when they started traveling with the Doctor? I never put that together I woulda put them at 25?
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Wait, Rory and Amy were only 21 when they started traveling with the Doctor? I never put that together I woulda put them at 25?
Amy was 7 years old when she first met the Doctor, as stated in her narration at the beginning of The Beast Below. Since she began travelling in the TARDIS 14 years later, that would make her 21.

Karen Gillan actually was 21 when The Eleventh Hour was filmed, and Arthur Darvill was 27.
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Wait, Rory and Amy were only 21 when they started traveling with the Doctor? I never put that together I woulda put them at 25?
Amy was 7 years old when she first met the Doctor, as stated in her narration at the beginning of The Beast Below. Since she began traveling in the TARDIS 14 years later, that would make her 21.

Karen Gillan actually was 21 when The Eleventh Hour was filmed, and Arthur Darvill was 27.
Yea, Darvill being older, but, the Characters being the same age, probably set my expectations older Yea, now that the evidence is spotlighted I see it, I just didn't put it together on my own without the "Scooby Doo-ing'
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I suppose, after last week's episode, this could have been an attempt by the Doctor to be a part of the Ponds' lives, rather than the other way around. Instead of grabbing Amy and Rory and taking them to the ass end of the universe for an adventure, he joined them for a quiet afternoon in Central Park.
That's how I understood it. But why go four years back in time for that?
It was the only day they could get tickets for The Book of Mormon.
And then Angels come and spoil it for them. Typical.
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