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Old September 30 2012, 10:17 PM   #1
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Was Amy's "present" always the future?

Was Amy's "present" always our future? If you watch "The End of Time" the Doctor's last stop before he regenerates is to visit Rose on January 1 2005. He barely makes it into the TARDIS and then essentially takes off. We see him in orbit and then the regeneration. At no point does he seem to travel in time. That means that when he first crashes in Amy's garden it should still be 2005. So it should be 2017 when he catches up with her later. Was this intentional or has her personal timeline been fudged?
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Old September 30 2012, 10:25 PM   #2
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Re: Was Amy's "present" always the future?

Amy's wedding took place on the day of broadcast of "The Big Bang" -- June 26, 2010. I think Amy's timeline works like this:

1996: Amelia Pond, aged seven, meets the Doctor
2008: Amy Pond, aged nineteen, remeets the Doctor and fights the Atraxi
2010: Amy Pond, aged twenty-one, remeets the Doctor, travels with him, and marries Rory

Therefore, the TARDIS must travel in time to reach Amelia's backyard.
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Old September 30 2012, 10:32 PM   #3
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Re: Was Amy's "present" always the future?

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Amy's wedding took place on the day of broadcast of "The Big Bang" -- June 26, 2010. I think Amy's timeline works like this:

1996: Amelia Pond, aged seven, meets the Doctor
2008: Amy Pond, aged nineteen, remeets the Doctor and fights the Atraxi
2010: Amy Pond, aged twenty-one, remeets the Doctor, travels with him, and marries Rory

Therefore, the TARDIS must travel in time to reach Amelia's backyard.
The problem is that it could not have been 1996 when the Doctor crashes. When the TARDIS is flying over London the Millennium Dome and London Eye are clearly visible. The Eye was completed in 1999 and the Dome in 2000.
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Old September 30 2012, 10:38 PM   #4
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The problem is that it could not have been 1996 when the Doctor crashes. When the TARDIS is flying over London the Millennium Dome and London Eye are clearly visible. The Eye was completed in 1999 and the Dome in 2000.
You mean when the Doctor is hanging from the TARDIS? Yes, that took place in the present of "The End of Time, Part Two." But when the TARDIS crash lands it's 1996. There was some time travel in between.
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Old September 30 2012, 11:06 PM   #5
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Re: Was Amy's "present" always the future?

Also, Leadworth's location is stated as being half an hour from Gloucester by car, so seemingly the Doctor would probably have needed a trip in the vortex to get there.
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Old October 1 2012, 12:00 AM   #6
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The problem is that it could not have been 1996 when the Doctor crashes. When the TARDIS is flying over London the Millennium Dome and London Eye are clearly visible. The Eye was completed in 1999 and the Dome in 2000.
You mean when the Doctor is hanging from the TARDIS? Yes, that took place in the present of "The End of Time, Part Two." But when the TARDIS crash lands it's 1996. There was some time travel in between.
Yeah, the weight of the evidence is definitely in favor of a 2010 date for Amy's original home time. Remember also that Amy and Rory travel by conventional means to be at the Doctor's death in 2011 in "The Impossible Astronaut." We see both dates on screen multiple times, which I think trumps the implications of the opening of "The Eleventh Hour" (though I agree that that implication is there).
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Old October 1 2012, 12:07 AM   #7
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He was still in 2005 while flying over London and when back to 1996 and then came out over Amys yard and crashed, we did not see the Tardis so it could have materialized over Amy's yard then went down. Yes, and the wedding in 2010 is on screen canon.
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Old October 1 2012, 02:29 AM   #8
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Here's a thought, very first shot from 'Angels':



I may need an American eye to confirm, is that the Twin Towers?

If so, that's pre 2001.
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Old October 1 2012, 02:55 AM   #9
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Re: Was Amy's "present" always the future?

^^I don't know what that is, but it's definitely not the WTC. Besides the Doctor stated that they were in 2012.

Here's roughly how Amy's timeline should work:

1996: Meets the Doctor for the first time (14 years prior to her wedding, confirmed to be in 2010)
2008: The whole Atraxi thing (two years before her wedding)
2010: The wedding (confirmed on screen)
2011: The Doctor fakes his death (confirmed on screen) and Amy and Rory stop travelling in the TARDIS (conjecture, assumes it's still the same year).
2013: The Doctor visits the Ponds on Christmas (Amy says it's been two years since they've seen him).
2014: Pond Life (conjecture, it takes place from April to August, though no year is given) and Asylum of the Daleks (also conjecture, assuming not much time has past since Pond Life).
2015: Dinosaurs on a Spaceship (Conjecture based on Amy saying it's been ten months since Asylum. Assuming Asylum is August 14, this would June 15).
2015-2016: The Power of Three (Conjecture based on episode being set from July of one unspecified year to July the next).
And then for some reason The Angels Take Manhattan is 2012.
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Old October 1 2012, 02:59 AM   #10
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Re: Was Amy's "present" always the future?

No, they are not the Twin Towers. The building on the left is the new One World Trade Center/Freedom Tower that's currently being built. The one on the right is just another skyscraper that's closer to the camera by a mile or so.
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Old October 1 2012, 03:00 AM   #11
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Re: Was Amy's "present" always the future?

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Here's a thought, very first shot from 'Angels':



I may need an American eye to confirm, is that the Twin Towers?

If so, that's pre 2001.
Nah, you can see the new World Trade Center being built. It's the bluer-looking building.
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Old October 1 2012, 03:31 AM   #12
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Re: Was Amy's "present" always the future?

I would have to rewatch to confirm, but I could SWEAR that Amy said in Angels Take Manhattan that they were in New York in 2012. If so, either they are not in her "present," or that puts everything else farther back (approx 10 years or so), since at that point she's been travelling with the Doctor for over 10 years.
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Old October 1 2012, 03:44 AM   #13
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Re: Was Amy's "present" always the future?

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I would have to rewatch to confirm, but I could SWEAR that Amy said in Angels Take Manhattan that they were in New York in 2012. If so, either they are not in her "present," or that puts everything else farther back (approx 10 years or so), since at that point she's been travelling with the Doctor for over 10 years.
Sure, she's been traveling with The Doctor for 10 years. But how much of that 10 years has she spent at home? I think she's only got 3 years of "Prime Timeline" investment, but she travels weeks, months and years, in between return visits to home yesterday
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Old October 1 2012, 03:49 AM   #14
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Re: Was Amy's "present" always the future?

She does say at one point that her friends will be wondering why she and Rory are aging so fast.
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Old October 1 2012, 04:04 AM   #15
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It does seem a little silly to use a time machine to visit present-day New York.
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