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Old September 30 2012, 03:56 PM   #1
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why was ensign kim not promoted at all in 7 years?

it seems kinda counter-productive to have an actual commisioned starfleet officer stay the same rank whilst making people like tom paris,chakotay lieutenants, and lt commanders respectively
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Old September 30 2012, 06:34 PM   #2
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Re: why was ensign kim not promoted at all in 7 years?

I think it was because he was a fairly unremarkable ensign. You need to stick out, take risks and get noticed. A Q-universe Riker tells that to Lt. Picard in TNG's "Tapestry,"
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Old September 30 2012, 06:40 PM   #3
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Re: why was ensign kim not promoted at all in 7 years?

Because no one else would apply for the position of Janeway's whipping boy.
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Old September 30 2012, 08:16 PM   #4
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Re: why was ensign kim not promoted at all in 7 years?

If was the way the chain of command was set up on the Voyager, with Kim always being junior to Torres and Paris on Janeway's staff. Had the ship been in Federation space, Kim likely would have got a promotion by moving to another ship after a few years, IMO.

Another possibility is that Kim might have been the only officer in his operations department with everyone else below him being enlisted.
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Old September 30 2012, 08:37 PM   #5
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Re: why was ensign kim not promoted at all in 7 years?

Punishment.

Pure and simple.

In their first months in the DQ... Harry Kim's untimely arrival prevented Janeway from receiving her first liplock in the DQ. (Prime Factors)

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Old September 30 2012, 08:44 PM   #6
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Re: why was ensign kim not promoted at all in 7 years?

It was the serial dating.

Tom made him have a run at at least half the women on the ship.

This pissed off those women who had awful dates, pissed off those few women who liked him but then were rejected as he moved on, pissed off those women who didn't make the cut for consideration and pissed off the rest of the blokes who didn't have the stones to find someone special or every time they get intimate with their soul mate they have to accept/rationalize that they're going where Kim has gone before.

Kim painted himself into a corner.

With his wang.
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Old September 30 2012, 08:44 PM   #7
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Re: why was ensign kim not promoted at all in 7 years?

I thought Kim wasn't promoted because of comments Garrett Wang made.
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Old September 30 2012, 08:58 PM   #8
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Re: why was ensign kim not promoted at all in 7 years?

Comments like "This is racist, it's because I'm Asian."?

That all came much later.
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Old September 30 2012, 10:05 PM   #9
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Re: why was ensign kim not promoted at all in 7 years?

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Comments like "This is racist, it's because I'm Asian."?

That all came much later.
No, no, something about him expressing some concerns or something to a reporter apparently early in Voyager's run. He was also denied the chance to direct iirc.
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Old September 30 2012, 10:12 PM   #10
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Re: why was ensign kim not promoted at all in 7 years?

the Asian thing was about being not being asked to direct an episode.

The return from everyone else involved is that he was just waiting to be asked, meanwhile the rest of the cast who were offered directing jobs stayed late, went above the call, got involved, tried to prove that they cared beyond their paycheck.

Wang on the over hand was dropped from two episodes for constant tardiness.
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Old September 30 2012, 10:16 PM   #11
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Re: why was ensign kim not promoted at all in 7 years?

Because not everyone can be promoted on Voyager.
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Old September 30 2012, 10:28 PM   #12
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Re: why was ensign kim not promoted at all in 7 years?

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The return from everyone else involved is that he was just waiting to be asked, meanwhile the rest of the cast who were offered directing jobs stayed late, went above the call, got involved, tried to prove that they cared beyond their paycheck.

Wang on the over hand was dropped from two episodes for constant tardiness.
Wow, I'd have thought that would be putting your head in a guillotine.
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Old September 30 2012, 10:35 PM   #13
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Re: why was ensign kim not promoted at all in 7 years?

After the carnage of Caretaker, almost 30 people left or died, and they only had 5 replacement crew awarded who were academy trained.

It's possible that rather than promoting juniors into empty senior positions that she was consolidating jobs, so that everyone one did more work while the ratio of enlisted to officers stayed consistent.
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Old September 30 2012, 11:26 PM   #14
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Re: why was ensign kim not promoted at all in 7 years?

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the Asian thing was about being not being asked to direct an episode.

The return from everyone else involved is that he was just waiting to be asked, meanwhile the rest of the cast who were offered directing jobs stayed late, went above the call, got involved, tried to prove that they cared beyond their paycheck.
Yep. The actors were expected to go to "director's school" if they were to win a directing stint, ie. organise to shadow an experienced director for the entire length of that episode's prep, shooting and editing. Wang never got around to doing that, so was continually overlooked.

As for the character's non-promotion, I think it became a game for the writers. The more he asked, the more they resisted. Similarly, Jake in DS9 got the episode of his life ("Nor the Battle to the Strong"), with action and emotional scenes that had him exhausted... to kinda teach him a lesson for saying he never had enough to do - ie. the episode marked the day the actor became "of age" and no longer had to have union-enforced juvenile-actor breaks for tutoring.
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Old October 1 2012, 12:11 AM   #15
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Re: why was ensign kim not promoted at all in 7 years?

What I don't get is why Wang asked in the first place. Asked to have more storylines, sure, but asked to be promoted?
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