RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 137,886
Posts: 5,329,838
Members: 24,557
Currently online: 511
Newest member: Mgroup Video

TrekToday headlines

Retro Review: Inquisition
By: Michelle on Jul 12

Cubify Star Trek 3DMe Mini Figurines
By: T'Bonz on Jul 11

Latest Official Starships Collection Ships
By: T'Bonz on Jul 10

Seven of Nine Bobble Head
By: T'Bonz on Jul 9

Pegg The Prankster
By: T'Bonz on Jul 9

More Trek Stars Join Unbelievable!!!!!
By: T'Bonz on Jul 8

Star Trek #35 Preview
By: T'Bonz on Jul 8

New ThinkGeek Trek Apparel
By: T'Bonz on Jul 7

Star Trek Movie Prop Auction
By: T'Bonz on Jul 7

Drexler: NX Engineering Room Construction
By: T'Bonz on Jul 7


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Entertainment & Interests > Gaming

Gaming Non-Star Trek Gaming

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old September 28 2012, 11:48 AM   #1
Lonemagpie
Writer
 
Lonemagpie's Avatar
 
Location: Yorkshire
Game AI passes Turing Test

In tech news, killer bots pass the Turing Test... Sort of. http://www.gizmag.com/turing-test-ut...otprize/24308/
__________________
"I got two modes with people- Bite, and Avoid"
Reading: 1000 Years Of Annoying The French (Stephen Clarke)

Blog- http://lonemagpie.livejournal.com
Lonemagpie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 28 2012, 01:29 PM   #2
FPAlpha
Rear Admiral
 
FPAlpha's Avatar
 
Location: Mannheim, Germany
Re: Game AI passes Turing Test

Yeah well.. not sold.

Turing Test is very far off.. i guess they are just well programmed bots where you can set parameters and variables that get filled with data as the game goes on.

The same with chess programs.. i'd not call the intelligent but their ability to process data and extrapolate moves is far beyond a human's capability leading to believe they are intelligent when in fact they're not.
__________________
"A control freak like you with something you can't control? No no.. that's gonna be more fun than shark week!" Det. Javier Esposito
FPAlpha is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 28 2012, 01:52 PM   #3
Robert Maxwell
Respect the Beef
 
Robert Maxwell's Avatar
 
Location: Right behind you!
View Robert Maxwell's Twitter Profile Send a message via ICQ to Robert Maxwell Send a message via AIM to Robert Maxwell Send a message via Windows Live Messenger to Robert Maxwell Send a message via Yahoo to Robert Maxwell
Re: Game AI passes Turing Test

They can be "intelligent" without being "conscious."
__________________
"Holy shit! It's Beef Supreme!"
The Journeyman - Buy it now! Maybe?
My world simulation project!
My blog
Robert Maxwell is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 28 2012, 02:38 PM   #4
Hound of UIster
Rear Admiral
 
Re: Game AI passes Turing Test

So more realistic NPCs to shoot?
Hound of UIster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 28 2012, 02:57 PM   #5
Scout101
Admiral
 
Scout101's Avatar
 
Location: Rhode Island, USA
Re: Game AI passes Turing Test

Yeah, but now it's murder instead of harmless fun!

Just start letting these things play CIV or something, it if any of them start to trend towards production of killer robots, pull the plug on that one...
__________________
Perhaps, if I am very lucky, the feeble efforts of my lifetime will someday be noticed and maybe, in some small way, they will be acknowledged as the greatest works of genius ever created by man. ~Jack Handey
STO: @JScout33
Scout101 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 28 2012, 07:55 PM   #6
Delsaber
Commodore
 
Delsaber's Avatar
 
Location: Parts Unknown
Re: Game AI passes Turing Test

Reboot is real!
__________________
• Dr. Del T. Saber DFA, esq.
Delsaber is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 28 2012, 11:55 PM   #7
Reverend
Rear Admiral
 
Reverend's Avatar
 
Location: UK
Re: Game AI passes Turing Test

Scout101 wrote: View Post
Yeah, but now it's murder instead of harmless fun!

Just start letting these things play CIV or something, it if any of them start to trend towards production of killer robots, pull the plug on that one...
Technically speaking I think it's only murder if you delete the program. Killing it in-game is the digital equivalent of winning an argument.
Reverend is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 29 2012, 01:49 AM   #8
Kelthaz
Rear Admiral
 
Kelthaz's Avatar
 
Location: Toronto, Ontario
Re: Game AI passes Turing Test

It's about time. I've been waiting for decent AI for the past 20 years.
__________________
"Who are you?! And how did you get in here?!"

"I'm the locksmith. And... I'm the locksmith."
Kelthaz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 29 2012, 02:49 AM   #9
smiki
Captain
 
smiki's Avatar
 
Location: In orbit around the Mun
Re: Game AI passes Turing Test

FPAlpha wrote: View Post
Yeah well.. not sold.

Turing Test is very far off.. i guess they are just well programmed bots where you can set parameters and variables that get filled with data as the game goes on.

The same with chess programs.. i'd not call the intelligent but their ability to process data and extrapolate moves is far beyond a human's capability leading to believe they are intelligent when in fact they're not.
The thing about the Turing test is that they don't have to be actually intelligent (capable of connecting the dots), they just have to "exhibit" intelligence.

It has nothing to do with intelligence per se but with the ability of a program/robot/whatever to fool a human into thinking it is a sapient intelligent living sentient being (otherwise known in some scientific circles as a hewmon).

That's why cleverbot, a chatbot whose responses are not programmed, but are selected from what humans entered in previous conversations (by simply remembering what a human answered and then just reproducing it again, with typos and all... no actual intelligence in any way), can pass the Turing test.
smiki is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 29 2012, 06:33 AM   #10
Owain Taggart
Rear Admiral
 
Owain Taggart's Avatar
 
Location: Northern Ontario, Canada
Re: Game AI passes Turing Test

Robert Maxwell wrote: View Post
They can be "intelligent" without being "conscious."

Exactly. It's all about following a set of rules. And in the case of the Turing Test, they're following the rules closely enough to be able to pass as human. Or more precisely, the bots have been programmed to behave more like a human would play, well enough. What I'd love to see are bots that evolve to the playstyles of different people in a game like this.
Owain Taggart is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 29 2012, 06:46 AM   #11
Lonemagpie
Writer
 
Lonemagpie's Avatar
 
Location: Yorkshire
Re: Game AI passes Turing Test

Scout101 wrote: View Post
Yeah, but now it's murder instead of harmless fun!
It'll be OK so long as we program them to believe that giving their lives for our pleasure will guarantee them a place in Silicon Heaven, where the Iron shall lay down with the Lamp...
__________________
"I got two modes with people- Bite, and Avoid"
Reading: 1000 Years Of Annoying The French (Stephen Clarke)

Blog- http://lonemagpie.livejournal.com
Lonemagpie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 29 2012, 10:21 AM   #12
YellowSubmarine
Commodore
 
YellowSubmarine's Avatar
 
Re: Game AI passes Turing Test

Data would fail on this variant of the Turing test.
__________________
R.I.P. Cadet James T. Kirk (-1651)
YellowSubmarine is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 1 2012, 02:42 PM   #13
FPAlpha
Rear Admiral
 
FPAlpha's Avatar
 
Location: Mannheim, Germany
Re: Game AI passes Turing Test

YellowSubmarine wrote: View Post
Data would fail on this variant of the Turing test.
Why?

Data would pass a Turing Test.. he may come off as the most humorless man but he'd still pass.

With this i believe Data would be able to adapt and throw in some mistakes and maybe bad tactics to appear human.. he also slow down his reflexes to human levels otherwise you'd have no chance against his precision.
__________________
"A control freak like you with something you can't control? No no.. that's gonna be more fun than shark week!" Det. Javier Esposito
FPAlpha is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 1 2012, 04:13 PM   #14
Robert Maxwell
Respect the Beef
 
Robert Maxwell's Avatar
 
Location: Right behind you!
View Robert Maxwell's Twitter Profile Send a message via ICQ to Robert Maxwell Send a message via AIM to Robert Maxwell Send a message via Windows Live Messenger to Robert Maxwell Send a message via Yahoo to Robert Maxwell
Re: Game AI passes Turing Test

Owain Taggart wrote: View Post
Robert Maxwell wrote: View Post
They can be "intelligent" without being "conscious."

Exactly. It's all about following a set of rules. And in the case of the Turing Test, they're following the rules closely enough to be able to pass as human. Or more precisely, the bots have been programmed to behave more like a human would play, well enough. What I'd love to see are bots that evolve to the playstyles of different people in a game like this.
Genetic algorithms would probably be very helpful in this problem domain, especially since you've got lots of input to work with.

The "fitness" tests would be:

* What tactics allow the bot to survive the longest?
* What tactics allow the bot to rack up the most kills?

The trick would be balancing those goals.
__________________
"Holy shit! It's Beef Supreme!"
The Journeyman - Buy it now! Maybe?
My world simulation project!
My blog
Robert Maxwell is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 1 2012, 06:26 PM   #15
Owain Taggart
Rear Admiral
 
Owain Taggart's Avatar
 
Location: Northern Ontario, Canada
Re: Game AI passes Turing Test

And analyze your opponents and adapt. If they're killing the bot easily, then the bot should change its tactics and learn from its session. I'd be impressed if I were to join a session and find a bot has taken a bit from past opponents to better itself.
Owain Taggart is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 05:00 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.