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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old September 27 2012, 09:58 PM   #1
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Insurrection as an episode...

One of the criticisms levelled at Insurrection most often is that it felt too much like a feature length episode, which in honesty I agree with, the general premise had been done a few times on the show in one guise or another.

SO lets look at it this way, imagine it was a season 6 two-parter or something. How do you think people would look back on it as an episode?

I honestly don't think the film is quite as horrendous as some people make out (small cartoon walrus/squirell thing aside), and had it been an episode I think it would of stood up well, thoughts...?
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Old September 27 2012, 10:38 PM   #2
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Re: Insurrection as an episode...

I suppose it depends how much stuff would have to be cut from the script to make it fit into two episodes.
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Old September 27 2012, 11:31 PM   #3
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Re: Insurrection as an episode...

Not much really given the movie was only 103 minutes or barely over an hour and a half. So they could fit that into a two part episode pretty easy. The average TNG episode is about 45 minutes minus commercials so, they'd only have to cut 10 minutes. Cutting Data out at the beginning and the alien reception would pretty much do the trick.

It probably would have stood up better as an episode. The Baku still hard to be sympathetic with, but a below par two parter wouldn't be as disappointing as a below par movie. I still look on a two parter like Birthright with a small amount of fondness afterall.
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Old September 28 2012, 01:44 AM   #4
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Re: Insurrection as an episode...

Still sucks.
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Old September 28 2012, 01:45 AM   #5
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Re: Insurrection as an episode...

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Still sucks.
Got any more pearls of wisdom you'd like to share with us?
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Old September 28 2012, 01:51 AM   #6
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Re: Insurrection as an episode...

I think it would've fared better as a two-hour "event" episode along the lines of Voyager's "Dark Frontier", or something closer to one of Babylon 5's TV movies. It didn't work terribly well as a feature, yet I'm not sure where it would fit as a traditional two-parter.

Then again, most of the two-parters that TNG did in its last two or three seasons weren't that great, so maybe it would fit in just fine. All of them after Redemption started to feel less and less interesting, like the extended format was more of a hindrance than a help.
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Old September 28 2012, 01:53 AM   #7
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Re: Insurrection as an episode...

I agree it IS very much like a two-parter (more than any other TNG movie), akin to "Gambit" or "Time's Arrow" or "Descent". It wouldn't seem out of place if INS had aired as a two-parter during the 6th or 7th season.

And yet, I'd still feel very "eh" about it. It's a step down from "Time's Arrow", for example, and even that one isn't too hot.

INS would be routine if lackluster as a two-parter, with some significant problems. As a movie, INS sucks.
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Old September 28 2012, 02:27 AM   #8
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Re: Insurrection as an episode...

The question then becomes, what's the mid-way cliffhanger?

Too, and equally important to consider -- given the stricture of the series at the time, is it at all possible the writers would have gone with Piller's original idea to do "Heart of Darkness" and feature Picard's friend Duffy instead of Data?
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Old September 28 2012, 02:38 AM   #9
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Re: Insurrection as an episode...

The only things I like about the movie are Riker and Troi rekindling their romance, and the scene with the healed Gerodi watching the sunset. The rest is very forgettable.

I can't stand the Baku. Bunch of entitled hippies that want to live forever while billions are suffering and getting killed because of the Dominon War, the same people that could've been saved through researching the planet.
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Old September 28 2012, 02:44 AM   #10
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Re: Insurrection as an episode...

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The only things I like about the movie are Riker and Troi rekindling their romance,
Meh. Juvenile and shoehorned romance subplot, even by Trek standards. It'd probably be considered the worst part of the film if they'd had someone smart enough to omit Data's line about boobs perking up...

and the scene with the healed Gerodi watching the sunset. The rest is very forgettable.
That scene was lovely, yes. Had they not done the same basic 'bit' eleven years earlier in "Hide and Q" it would have been all the more memorable.

I can't stand the Baku. Bunch of entitled hippies that want to live forever while billions are suffering and getting killed because of the Dominon War. Those people that could've been saved through researching the planet.
Not that I'm surprised to read these words from a post by you, I do find myself asking the question... how exactly would all the people being killed in the Dominion War have been helped by the Federation forcibly taking and researching the Ba'ku planet?
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Old September 28 2012, 02:47 AM   #11
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Re: Insurrection as an episode...

I don't think that the Baku's form of immortality would've helped at all. Simply being ageless doesn't mean that you can't still die from violence, and Picard's squeeze did almost die in that cave-in.
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Old September 28 2012, 02:59 AM   #12
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Re: Insurrection as an episode...

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Meh. Juvenile and shoehorned romance subplot, even by Trek standards. It'd probably be considered the worst part of the film if they'd had someone smart enough to omit Data's line about boobs perking up...
I really hated the Worf/Troi romance that appeared during the last season of TNG. Most forced romance ever. For all the faults of the movies, at least they ended that.

That scene was lovely, yes. Had they not done the same basic 'bit' eleven years earlier in "Hide and Q" it would have been all the more memorable.
The scene was better done in the movie. Better filmed and acted.

how exactly would all the people being killed in the Dominion War have been helped by the Federation forcibly taking and researching the Ba'ku planet?
They might have been saved before they died? The Federation was planning to research the planet's healing propeties to improve their current medicines.

Insurrection took place during or shortly after the Dominon War. The Federation was in bad shape.
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Old September 28 2012, 03:01 AM   #13
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I don't think that the Baku's form of immortality would've helped at all. Simply being ageless doesn't mean that you can't still die from violence, and Picard's squeeze did almost die in that cave-in.
The Baku's form of immorality really sucked. It only worked while a person was on the planet.
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Old September 28 2012, 05:37 AM   #14
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Re: Insurrection as an episode...

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I can't stand the Baku. Bunch of entitled hippies that want to live forever while billions are suffering and getting killed because of the Dominon War
Out of curiosity, how would you react if a hostile group tried to trick you out of your home and when you found out they still tried to do it, but with violent force?
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Old September 28 2012, 06:02 AM   #15
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Re: Insurrection as an episode...

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Exile them all which is pretty much a death sentence for them?
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