minister in "Demons" was a demon

magarity · September 25 2012, 05:53 AM

I was watching the 4th season episode titled "Demons" trying to figure out where I had seen the actor who plays the minister when it suddenly hit me: he was Buffy's high school principal who wanted to turn into a demon by eating all the students. Was he cast in an episode with this title on purpose? ahah!

T'Girl · September 25 2012, 07:24 AM

I just loved the scene where the minister ate Quark.

King Daniel · September 25 2012, 02:55 PM

He was also the whiny Betazoid in Next Gen's "Tin Man"

magarity · September 26 2012, 01:17 AM

Wow, I finished the second half and was really surprised he didn't turn out bad. He seemed waaay too insistent the the facility be destroyed immediately. As if they had something on him. Perhaps his character was being set up to be a stealth bad guy had there been another season....

teacake · September 26 2012, 08:08 AM

I think he represented Earth's bureaucracy tripping over its own feet.

Guy Gardener · September 26 2012, 08:42 AM

I found it ridiculous how this guy represented the Government as either a high official or the highest official, dozens of levels above the usual lot who boss Johno around, but Archer abused him like a Muppet.

magarity · September 27 2012, 07:58 AM

teacake wrote:

I think he represented Earth's bureaucracy tripping over its own feet.

ok, I'll bite; why the heck do you have "not dead" imposed over Janeway's mug shot? Did Mulgrew pass away recently?

teacake · September 27 2012, 10:41 AM

No, Janeway was killed off in Treklit five years ago to some controversy. She has now been returned from the dead in the latest Voyager book. In the lead up to the book there was a lot of debate and speculation that she might return in it. I made the avatar prior to the books publication to serve as either a triumphant announcement or a protest depending on her fate.

The not.dead. meme was popular on this board after Trip died in TATV.

Mr. Laser Beam · September 27 2012, 09:16 PM

Guy Gardener wrote:

I found it ridiculous how this guy represented the Government as either a high official or the highest official, dozens of levels above the usual lot who boss Johno around, but Archer abused him like a Muppet.

IIRC, there's a scene where Samuels tries to give Hoshi an order but she doesn't follow it. Since he's Prime Minister - the head of government for all Earth - shouldn't he also be her Commander in Chief?

Perhaps Earth's rules work differently. Maybe it's the Earth head of STATE (the President) who fulfills this role. Or maybe it's neither. Or maybe I need a drink.

Skywalker · September 27 2012, 09:18 PM

Samuels being the Prime Minister didn't happen until the books, so it's no surprise that he didn't have any military authority in the show.

magarity · September 28 2012, 02:48 AM

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Guy Gardener wrote:

Perhaps Earth's rules work differently. Maybe it's the Earth head of STATE (the President) who fulfills this role. Or maybe it's neither. Or maybe I need a drink.

Ah, see there's a big difference between being Commander in Chief and being the commanding officer. It goes from the CiC to the Department of Defense and then on to the appropriate commanders. See the Goldwater-Nichols Act: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldwat...%93Nichols_Act
... so the CiC doesn't bark orders directly at commanders in the middle of an operation.

magarity · September 28 2012, 02:54 AM

teacake wrote:

No, Janeway was killed off in Treklit five years ago to some controversy.

Ah, I see; alas I only have the temperance to sit through the shows. I haven't read any of the novels since one where Captain Kirk was adopted as an honorary member of some alien race and they insisted on calling him by his complete name every time one talked to him.

By an amazing coincidence I remember that when watching Voyager I mentally referred to Captain Janeway as "Cupcake".

teacake · September 28 2012, 02:59 AM

JJ must have stolen that from your mind. You should really write him a letter.

Sindatur · September 28 2012, 03:33 PM

teacake wrote:

JJ must have stolen that from your mind. You should really write him a letter.

And Let's not forget Captain Lochley on Babylon 5 was referred to on the Internet as Capt. Cupcake

teacake · September 28 2012, 03:36 PM

The internet, pfft..

(wait.. did I say that?)

September 25 2012, 05:53 AM	#1
magarity Lieutenant Junior Grade	minister in "Demons" was a demon I was watching the 4th season episode titled "Demons" trying to figure out where I had seen the actor who plays the minister when it suddenly hit me: he was Buffy's high school principal who wanted to turn into a demon by eating all the students. Was he cast in an episode with this title on purpose? ahah!

September 25 2012, 07:24 AM	#2
T'Girl Vice Admiral	Re: minister in "Demons" was a demon I just loved the scene where the minister ate Quark.

September 25 2012, 02:55 PM	#3
King Daniel Admiral Location: KingDaniel has fallen Into Darkness (in England)	Re: minister in "Demons" was a demon He was also the whiny Betazoid in Next Gen's "Tin Man" __________________ Star Trek Imponderables, fun video mashups of Trek's biggest continuity errors. Episode One Episode Two

September 26 2012, 01:17 AM	#4
magarity Lieutenant Junior Grade	Re: minister in "Demons" was a demon Wow, I finished the second half and was really surprised he didn't turn out bad. He seemed waaay too insistent the the facility be destroyed immediately. As if they had something on him. Perhaps his character was being set up to be a stealth bad guy had there been another season....

September 26 2012, 08:08 AM	#5
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September 26 2012, 08:42 AM	#6
Guy Gardener Admiral Location: In the lap of squalor I assure you.	Re: minister in "Demons" was a demon I found it ridiculous how this guy represented the Government as either a high official or the highest official, dozens of levels above the usual lot who boss Johno around, but Archer abused him like a Muppet. __________________ "Glitter is the herpes of arts and craft." Troy Yingst. My Life as Liz

September 27 2012, 10:41 AM	#8
teacake Admiral Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.	Re: minister in "Demons" was a demon No, Janeway was killed off in Treklit five years ago to some controversy. She has now been returned from the dead in the latest Voyager book. In the lead up to the book there was a lot of debate and speculation that she might return in it. I made the avatar prior to the books publication to serve as either a triumphant announcement or a protest depending on her fate. The not.dead. meme was popular on this board after Trip died in TATV. __________________ Rider: I can't believe you'd kill me for a field of empty holes. J'onn: It's all I have. ■ ■ ■ Janeway does Melbourne

September 27 2012, 09:18 PM	#10
Skywalker Admiral	Re: minister in "Demons" was a demon Samuels being the Prime Minister didn't happen until the books, so it's no surprise that he didn't have any military authority in the show.

September 28 2012, 02:59 AM	#13
teacake Admiral Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.	Re: minister in "Demons" was a demon JJ must have stolen that from your mind. You should really write him a letter. __________________ Rider: I can't believe you'd kill me for a field of empty holes. J'onn: It's all I have. ■ ■ ■ Janeway does Melbourne

September 28 2012, 03:36 PM	#15
teacake Admiral Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.	Re: minister in "Demons" was a demon The internet, pfft.. (wait.. did I say that?) __________________ Rider: I can't believe you'd kill me for a field of empty holes. J'onn: It's all I have. ■ ■ ■ Janeway does Melbourne