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Old September 18 2012, 09:30 PM   #16
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Re: Why was Archer such a terrible fighter?

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He was the first captain out there; they hadn't learned to fight yet.
This makes the most sense to me. I like to think that Archer getting his ass so thoroughly trounced is part of what led to Starfleet expanding its physical training programmes to include stuff like Sisko's wrestling team.

That and the integration of MACO, I suppose.
I was actually poking fun at the "he was the first captain!" excuse everyone else uses for Archer's other faults.
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Old September 18 2012, 10:34 PM   #17
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Archer was a glorified astronaut. It's like saying Neil Armstrong wasn't badass (he was by the way) Enterprise was about protraying humanity as more of a fragile race stepping into the unknown. The other shows featured an already prominent and mighty Federation which the rest of the galaxy took seriously.
This is really the way to redeem Archer.
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Old September 18 2012, 10:48 PM   #18
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It was still decades before Kirk introduced the two-handed punch to the back.
...or the flying drop kick!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPuOMDpiNtM
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Old September 22 2012, 08:53 AM   #19
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Re: Why was Archer such a terrible fighter?

He's just terrible all round, so its no surprise really that he can't fight.
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Old September 22 2012, 11:39 AM   #20
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Re: Why was Archer such a terrible fighter?

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He's just terrible all round, so its no surprise really that he can't fight.
OH now, pshaw.. he has, like, a dog. Dog people are good people. Aren't they?
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Old September 22 2012, 08:07 PM   #21
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...or the flying drop kick!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPuOMDpiNtM
That's what Archer needed to be a superior fighter, some kickass music playing into background.

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Old September 23 2012, 11:22 AM   #22
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Re: Why was Archer such a terrible fighter?

T'Cal wrote: View Post
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It was still decades before Kirk introduced the two-handed punch to the back.
...or the flying drop kick!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPuOMDpiNtM
Archer performed the flying drop kick at the end of Shockwave II
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Old September 27 2012, 08:53 PM   #23
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ENT showed that humankind was a bit naive when they went out there, desiring to peacefully explore the galaxy yet meeting quite some unfriendly fellows. Archer's lack of physical fighting training (First Flight; besides being a pilot the guy didn't have any training) merely reflects this general human naivety.
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I think it was a metaphor for Archer being in over his head.
My thoughts exactly
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Old October 6 2012, 11:57 PM   #24
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Why can Mirror Archer fight?
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Old October 7 2012, 12:20 AM   #25
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Re: Why was Archer such a terrible fighter?

Evil. Not softened up by Federation values.
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Old October 24 2012, 02:12 AM   #26
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Re: Why was Archer such a terrible fighter?

I like that everyone aboard Enterprise is an astronaut and their main field (pilot, engineer, doctor, etc.) and not a fighter. By the end of season 2, they learn the universe is out there to kick their butts.

So, actually it seems only Reed is a decent fighter until the MACOs join.
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Old October 24 2012, 02:15 AM   #27
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Kirk would beat the crap out of Archer.

Picard would beat the crap out of Archer.

Sisko would beat crap out of Archer.

Janeway would beat the crap out of Archer.
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Old October 24 2012, 02:35 AM   #28
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Which one would he like beating the crap out of him the most?
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Old October 24 2012, 03:26 AM   #29
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Which one would he like beating the crap out of him the most?
Actually I could see Janeway as a Bondage Queen...
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Old October 24 2012, 03:51 AM   #30
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You read the VOY forum R. Star, you know we are all in bondage to Janeway.
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