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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old September 24 2012, 03:59 PM   #121
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He may have been doing whatever whenever, but the scene as cut into the movie was fine--could have been used and it would have worked. They cut it for another reason.
It's no secret that they only put the scene in the script as the final tempter to get Takei to sign a contract. He had held out till one day after principal photography started, IIRC. He said if the role was a repeat of TMP, just sitting and piloting, then he wasn't interested because Sulu would have moved on by now. It has been suggested that Bennett and Meyer were never really serious about keeping the line in, but there was still hope - and the vague promise that future ST films might have meatier roles. George often says that the actors always took each ST film one at a time; they assumed each one was "the last one".

But... you said "NO Shatner did not botch it on purpose" and Takei himself told me - in 1984, at his house - long before he started mentioning it at conventions or in his autobiography - that Shatner deliberately did his renowned Shatner trick (which often meant that the only usable take is a Shatner closeup rather than the other person in a scene). So if that makes George a liar in your book, so be it. He seemed genuine enough at the time and it wasn't onstage bravado to hundreds of amused fans, it was a quiet chat over green tea.

I guess it's a blessing to do a scene with shatner and not have to look at him!
Perhaps George was trying not to look at Shatner, who was off-camera crossing his eyes or doing bored-face.

The full scene is simply a 15 second extension of the shot that exists in the movie as is.
It's POV is looking in through the pod 'window' and Sulu is piloting and looking forward. Kirk is also looking forward and then looking toward Sulu as he says his line. Nobody is offscreen in the take to be making faces and in any case it didn't affect Takei's performance--he does fine.
Whatever happened in close-ups or in other takes of the scene are not important to the take in the movie or the slight extension of the take.
Takei and Kelley are good in the scene and Shatner is ok. It would have been fine if they left it in.
Obviously Shatner could have done all kinds of things in other takes, but in the one that 'almost' made the movie--he didn't ruin it.
You are correct, I'm pretty sure that once the movie was put together and they realized it was good --perhaps good enough for a sequel--they simply figured why leave in a scene that has no relavance to the plot--especially if any sequel will focus on following up on Spock's death--not Sulu having his own ship.
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Old September 24 2012, 08:59 PM   #122
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So if that makes George a liar in your book, so be it. He seemed genuine enough at the time and it wasn't onstage bravado to hundreds of amused fans, it was a quiet chat over green tea.
Or it could be simply that's what he was told by Nick Meyer, when asked after he didn't see it at the premiere. Its unlikely George would have have access to the workprint, and if Nick was lying, that would be a good reason to leave it off a directors cut that George would hear about!
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Old September 25 2012, 05:38 AM   #123
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they simply figured why leave in a scene that has no relavance to the plot--especially if any sequel will focus on following up on Spock's death--not Sulu having his own ship.
They could have left the scene in regardless ... after Sulu went renegade in TSFS, they would have had the perfect excuse for NOT giving him his own ship after all.
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Old September 25 2012, 04:26 PM   #124
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they simply figured why leave in a scene that has no relavance to the plot--especially if any sequel will focus on following up on Spock's death--not Sulu having his own ship.
They could have left the scene in regardless ... after Sulu went renegade in TSFS, they would have had the perfect excuse for NOT giving him his own ship after all.

Very true, but they didn't have the trek 3 script at the time of the release of Trek 2, so they couldn't have known how it would play out.

But that's the very excuse they used in the Trek 3 novel--that Sulu couldn't take command until the whole Genesis situation had blown over.

Personally I would have left in the scene simply because they promised him it would be in there. One line of Dialogue in any sequel would have taken care of why he didn't take command on schedule.
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Old September 27 2012, 04:27 PM   #125
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Personally I would have left in the scene simply because they promised him it would be in there.
They also promised him a "moment" in ST III, flipping the guard - and in ST IV, meeting his great great grandfather (a small child) in the 20th century. Well, at least Sulu got to flip the guard.
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Old September 27 2012, 05:14 PM   #126
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Personally I would have left in the scene simply because they promised him it would be in there.
They also promised him a "moment" in ST III, flipping the guard - and in ST IV, meeting his great great grandfather (a small child) in the 20th century. Well, at least Sulu got to flip the guard.

Yep. The guard was played by the same actor who Spock nerve-pinched in TMP.
Man, he could not get away from the Enterprise crews abuse no matter how hard he tried!
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Old September 27 2012, 05:28 PM   #127
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^^ I never knew that about the guard - you learn something every day!!
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Old September 27 2012, 05:32 PM   #128
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^^ I never knew that about the guard - you learn something every day!!

Another, i think, little known fact..........

Tood bryant who played 'Klaa' in Trek5 and Klaa as the 'translator' in Trek 6---also played the blond guy standing next to Preston in the engine room inspection in TWOK (non-speaking part of course.)
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^^ I never knew that about the guard - you learn something every day!!

Another, i think, little known fact..........

Tood bryant who played 'Klaa' in Trek5 and Klaa as the 'translator' in Trek 6---also played the blond guy standing next to Preston in the engine room inspection in TWOK (non-speaking part of course.)
Never knew that either!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old September 27 2012, 08:07 PM   #130
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Never knew that either!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I didn't even know that he was in TUC!
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Old September 29 2012, 12:31 AM   #131
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Yep. The guard was played by the same actor who Spock nerve-pinched in TMP.
Man, he could not get away from the Enterprise crews abuse no matter how hard he tried!
Yep. It was a favourite trivia question back in my ST club days. Gary Faga.
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