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Old September 23 2012, 11:17 PM   #1036
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Well, we do, in fact, get to see an image of Smaug in the trailers: On the map.

But there's no real reason to show the fully-rendered version until the trailer to The Desolation of Smaug. An Unexpected Journey will be served by the pent-up demand for a Hobbit film and the trailers featuring Gollum. And IIRC, there weren't any trailers attached to the ends of FOTR or TTT. I'm guessing our first look at Smaug may be with the teaser to Desolation, and/or, perhaps, Comic Con 2013.
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Old September 23 2012, 11:21 PM   #1037
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If we do see Smaug in An Unexpected Journey, I think it'd be during flashbacks to his conquest of Erebor.
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Old September 23 2012, 11:44 PM   #1038
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^ That'd be the most logical place to reveal him in Film 1. And honestly, considering the lack of promotion for Smaug the Magnificent, it'd be one helluva surprise to see him on screen this December. But I still think a trailer for Film 2 is the most likely official reveal.
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Old September 24 2012, 12:14 AM   #1039
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I would actually be very surprised if we didn't get some history leading to the downfall of Erebor. But they could certainly tell the tale in a way to not really showcase much of Smaug. I mean look at the history of the ring, and how little the actually showed the audience of Gollom in that one scene and saved the big reveal for the Two Towers.
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Old September 24 2012, 12:17 AM   #1040
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But a ot of that depends on the take Jackson and fellow writers are taking with the material.

Based of the teaser, I was expected a fairly series telling of the story in the exact same style as the previous LOTR films.

Now after the first trailer, I expect a much more humorous take of the tory, possible aimed at the full family. And if that really represents the films, I could see them not focusing on the history of said events.

I want some of the humor as the Hobbit is a lighter tale, but I really want the majority to be told in a manner very similar to LOTR.
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Old September 24 2012, 05:20 AM   #1041
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Surprised to find out that Arwen/Liv Tyler isn't in it. When they are in Rivendell, wouldn't have been a problem to have a small scene with her and Agent Smith.
Arwen was living in Lothlorien with her grandmother Galadriel at the time of The Hobbit.
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Old September 24 2012, 05:52 AM   #1042
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Surprised to find out that Arwen/Liv Tyler isn't in it. When they are in Rivendell, wouldn't have been a problem to have a small scene with her and Agent Smith.
Arwen was living in Lothlorien with her grandmother Galadriel at the time of The Hobbit.
But we see Galadriel in Rivendell in the trailers. Granted, that doesn't mean Arwen had to travel with her. She could have stayed in Lothlorien.
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Old September 24 2012, 06:23 AM   #1043
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Surprised to find out that Arwen/Liv Tyler isn't in it. When they are in Rivendell, wouldn't have been a problem to have a small scene with her and Agent Smith.
Arwen was living in Lothlorien with her grandmother Galadriel at the time of The Hobbit.
But we see Galadriel in Rivendell in the trailers. Granted, that doesn't mean Arwen had to travel with her. She could have stayed in Lothlorien.
Yes but Arwen met Aragorn during his Ranger days in Lothlorien. If she was present in Rivendell at the time of the Hobbit she would have met him then as he was already under Elrond's protection - however Aragorn would have been seven years old! Arwen was over 2000 by this time.
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Old September 24 2012, 09:15 AM   #1044
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Re: THE HOBBIT (2012/2013): News, Rumors, Pics Till Release

I would be very surprised if we get a glimpse of Smaug in An Unexpected Journey even in a flashback history tale on Erebor. We might, might a smidgen of him in such a scenario but only enough to tantalize us a la Gollum in Moria in The Fellowship of the Ring.

And I'm very, very, very glad Arwen isn't in this in any shape or form!
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Old September 24 2012, 01:00 PM   #1045
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Arwen was living in Lothlorien with her grandmother Galadriel at the time of The Hobbit.
But we see Galadriel in Rivendell in the trailers. Granted, that doesn't mean Arwen had to travel with her. She could have stayed in Lothlorien.
Yes but Arwen met Aragorn during his Ranger days in Lothlorien. If she was present in Rivendell at the time of the Hobbit she would have met him then as he was already under Elrond's protection - however Aragorn would have been seven years old! Arwen was over 2000 by this time.
There was an army of Elves in Helm's Deep, so any book continuity argument is invalid.
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Old September 24 2012, 01:07 PM   #1046
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I would be very surprised if we get a glimpse of Smaug in An Unexpected Journey even in a flashback history tale on Erebor. We might, might a smidgen of him in such a scenario but only enough to tantalize us a la Gollum in Moria in The Fellowship of the Ring.
I think it makes more sense dramatically to wait on showing Smaug. I know the rule is normally to show not tell, but it's not a complicated backstory "there's a dragon who stole our mountain." If I'm not mistaken, it's even in song form.
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Old September 24 2012, 05:47 PM   #1047
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Old September 24 2012, 10:27 PM   #1048
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Yes but Arwen met Aragorn during his Ranger days in Lothlorien. If she was present in Rivendell at the time of the Hobbit she would have met him then as he was already under Elrond's protection - however Aragorn would have been seven years old! Arwen was over 2000 by this time.
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Old September 25 2012, 12:30 AM   #1049
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Yes but Arwen met Aragorn during his Ranger days in Lothlorien. If she was present in Rivendell at the time of the Hobbit she would have met him then as he was already under Elrond's protection - however Aragorn would have been seven years old! Arwen was over 2000 by this time.
Robbing the cradle, BIG TIME.
And somewhat incestuous too.
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Old September 25 2012, 12:46 AM   #1050
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Yes but Arwen met Aragorn during his Ranger days in Lothlorien. If she was present in Rivendell at the time of the Hobbit she would have met him then as he was already under Elrond's protection - however Aragorn would have been seven years old! Arwen was over 2000 by this time.
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And somewhat incestuous too.
What do you expect from a couple of royals?
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