Who likes Spock/Uhura too?

[Bry_Sinclair]

Spock/Uhura Fan wrote:

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And by "Real," you mean the other fake one.

I mean the one that continues as normal and wasn't created by a freak incident in the future/past. Some may refer to it as the Prime Universe, for me I prefer to see it as the Real one.

Spock/Uhura Fan wrote:

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But here's the thing: They're not together. That's not how things started out in the alternate universe, and Kirk and Spock probably wouldn't have ever bothered with each other had it not been for Prime Spock. Who is together starting out in the alternate reality? Kirk and Bones are best friends, and I doubt anything will change that.

The trio is a far more important relationship to the franchise that needs to be nutured and developed, seeing how three men of different backgrounds come together to form a friendship that would last for decades to come. More screen time needs to be given to matter such as that rather than a love story (or if they do want to go that root, then they should really shake things up and have Kirk and Spock finally get together).

Spock/Uhura Fan wrote:

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And, Spock and Uhura are in love. I believe they could go through hell and back and still come out as a pair.

That remains to be seen. I give them another film, two at the very very most before it all comes crashing down.

Spock/Uhura Fan wrote:

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The scenario you brought up for Uhura would never happen, at least not canonically, so I won't address it.

Well the Alternate Universe has given us a new relationship, her "new" linguistics skills, not to mention altering baseline facts from the Real one (for example Chekov's age), so anything is possible with a massive reboot. I'm just saying is all.

Spock/Uhura Fan wrote:

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Oh, wow, another thing I won't address because they're not teenagers, or hormonal or petty (from what I can tell), and again, there's nothing for a "skirt" to split up. Calling Uhura a "skirt" is fairly disrespectful, I might add.

Well they're the next best thing to it. As for Uhura, she does wear a skirt does she not? They could have introduced/used and female character for the same result (Chapel, Rand, Helen Noel, Carol Marcus, etc).

Spock/Uhura Fan wrote:

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Why does it have to be a "seduction?" They could have just slowly fallen in love over the years. It could have started out harmless and then became something more.

Seduction aside, it is highly inappropriate for such a relationship. Even more so now they are on the same ship.

Spock/Uhura Fan wrote:

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Their relationship had nothing to do with her posting. She earned it, and that's all she pointed out. Being logical, Spock had to agree.

Spock wasn't giving out the ship postings. But rather than take it up with the officer who was doping so, she goes right to her lover and has a hissy fit until she gets her way (there is a further comment I'd like to make here, but some may find it offensive so I'll hold my tongue).

Spock/Uhura Fan wrote:

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I think they did touch fingertips, but it wasn't embarrassing because of the high emotion of the moment.

That's not a scene I remember from the film, but will keep an eye out for such a display next time I watch it.

Spock/Uhura Fan wrote:

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Vulcans can and do feel.

I am aware of that, Vulcans have emotions but they choose to suppress them and follow a path of logic. Yes they will occassionally encounter an event that will be too much for them to handle and emotions will break through, but even when with a mate they show great reserve and control.

Spock/Uhura Fan wrote:

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But that's not all they could think of. They also thought of making her a xenolinguistics specialist, and I imagine that will come into play with this next film.

Which was never expressed in TOS, but as I previously stated, is an easy assumption to make. Just because something is not stated, doesn't make it impossible to believe that it is so in Trek (which is why, until stated otherwise on screen, I will always believe that Andorians have four genders), such as comm officers being language experts.

Spock/Uhura Fan wrote:

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And when it comes to this Spock? Chapel who???

Chapel could whoop Nu-Uhura's ass, and sweep Spock off his feet. Between Zoe Saldana and Majel Barrett, I know who I'd go for (if I swung that way that is).

[serenitytrek1]

Bry_Sinclair wrote:

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I mean the one that continues as normal and wasn't created by a freak incident in the future/past. Some may refer to it as the Prime Universe, for me I prefer to see it as the Real one.

The trio is a far more important relationship to the franchise that needs to be nutured and developed, seeing how three men of different backgrounds come together to form a friendship that would last for decades to come. More screen time needs to be given to matter such as that rather than a love story (or if they do want to go that root, then they should really shake things up and have Kirk and Spock finally get together).


That remains to be seen. I give them another film, two at the very very most before it all comes crashing down.


Well the Alternate Universe has given us a new relationship, her "new" linguistics skills, not to mention altering baseline facts from the Real one (for example Chekov's age), so anything is possible with a massive reboot. I'm just saying is all.


Well they're the next best thing to it. As for Uhura, she does wear a skirt does she not? They could have introduced/used and female character for the same result (Chapel, Rand, Helen Noel, Carol Marcus, etc).



Seduction aside, it is highly inappropriate for such a relationship. Even more so now they are on the same ship.


Spock wasn't giving out the ship postings. But rather than take it up with the officer who was doping so, she goes right to her lover and has a hissy fit until she gets her way (there is a further comment I'd like to make here, but some may find it offensive so I'll hold my tongue).


That's not a scene I remember from the film, but will keep an eye out for such a display next time I watch it.


I am aware of that, Vulcans have emotions but they choose to suppress them and follow a path of logic. Yes they will occassionally encounter an event that will be too much for them to handle and emotions will break through, but even when with a mate they show great reserve and control.

Which was never expressed in TOS, but as I previously stated, is an easy assumption to make. Just because something is not stated, doesn't make it impossible to believe that it is so in Trek (which is why, until stated otherwise on screen, I will always believe that Andorians have four genders), such as comm officers being language experts.

Chapel could whoop Nu-Uhura's ass, and sweep Spock off his feet. Between Zoe Saldana and Majel Barrett, I know who I'd go for (if I swung that way that is).

Spock and uhura are pefect only in JJ universe and I don’t mind Spock and Chapel in TOS universe.

I hope it remains that way on screen.

star trek is science fiction...we dont need women fightng over men in the new movie.

I doubt quinto’s spock will put up with chapel's infatuation...Quinto or shall I say Nu Spock seems kind of snobby .I don’t think NU Spock will find Chapel's crush enduring like TOS Spock did.

Also Nu Spock unlike TOS Spock has not shun his human side which means he is likely not to be ignorant of Chapel's crush.

What makes Nu Spock so unique was the fact that he entered a relationship with his student by his own free will ...TOS Spock would never have done that.



And yes I would say Majel Barrett is overall more attractive than zoe saldana...zoe could be just as attractive as Majel if she gained a couple of pounds

However in today's Hollywood you can’t even be a size 6 and get a job you have to be a size 0. Its such a shame because the oringal uhura and Majel Barrett where no where close to a size 0.

[Bry_Sinclair]

serenitytrek1 wrote:

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And yes I would say Majel Barrett is overall more attractive than zoe saldana...zoe could be just as attractive as Majel if she gained a couple of pounds.

I find that she is far too scrawny to be attractive.

To me, Nu-Uhura really comes off as being a bit of a bitch, add that to Nu-Spock's anger issues and it doesn't exactly spell a long and happy future together.

[M'Sharak]

serenitytrek1 wrote:

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And yes I would say Majel Barrett is overall more attractive than zoe saldana...zoe could be just as attractive as Majel if she gained a couple of pounds

However in today's Hollywood you can’t even be a size 6 and get a job you have to be a size 0. Its such a shame because the oringal uhura had and Majel Barrett where no where close to a size 0.

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[teacake]

MORE LOVE, MORE MORE

[Spock/Uhura Fan]

Just WONDERFUL, teacake!!!
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I'm on the run right now, but I'll be back to respond later.

[serenitytrek1]

Bry_Sinclair wrote:

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I find that she is far too scrawny to be attractive.

To me, Nu-Uhura really comes off as being a bit of a bitch, add that to Nu-Spock's anger issues and it doesn't exactly spell a long and happy future together.

honestly i hate it went guys do this.hey have you ever heard of that chrisitina agilera song called can hold us down.

well let me tell you whats in the lyrics

[serenitytrek1]

Bry_Sinclair wrote:

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I find that she is far too scrawny to be attractive.

To me, Nu-Uhura really comes off as being a bit of a bitch, add that to Nu-Spock's anger issues and it doesn't exactly spell a long and happy future together.

Talk about double standard ....This is one of the reason why I honestly don’t like guys at times. Hey Bry Sinclair have you ever heard of this Christina Aguilera song called Can hold us down. Well let me tell you some of the lyrics to the song.

’’So what am I not supposed to have an opinion
Should I be quiet just because I'm a woman
Call me a bitch cos I speak what's on my mind
Guess it's easier for you to swallow if I sat and smiled’’.


You call Uhura bitch and why?
o yeah... because she snubbed a drunken guy who later violated her. Uhura is a smart woman. she knew the likes of guys like Jim Kirk, Kirk is a womanizer and she was right about the sex comment, Kirk will have sex with anything.

kirk already has a reputation in star fleet academy. he has perhaps slept with many of the girls in the academy and worse he uses and humiliates women for his own personal glory....Case in point Galia and the Kobayshi maru test.

I am surprise you don’t find Kirk behaviour bitchy.As a guy you perhaps find it cool that kirk has had sex with so many women some not even human.

I doubt uhura sleeps around in the academy like Jim and galia and Yet you call uhura A bitch when she only acted mean to Kirk for good reason. Kirk violated her by touching her boobs and by spying on her has she was taking of her cloths. she was right to shut him down yet you call her a bitch.

Also Uhura deserved her place on the Enterprise.she worked hard for it and finished at the top of her class. She was right to demand that her posting be change....That is not been bitchy that's a stong independent woman.

shame on you for calling her a bitch.

I swear...you BOYS.

[Spock/Uhura Fan]

Bry_Sinclair wrote:

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I mean the one that continues as normal and wasn't created by a freak incident in the future/past. Some may refer to it as the Prime Universe, for me I prefer to see it as the Real one.

Normal. New "normals" are created everyday. Even still, both "realities" are works of fiction, and therefore fake, but I understand what you are saying.

That remains to be seen. I give them another film, two at the very very most before it all comes crashing down.

Or before they get married. That's my hope.

Well they're the next best thing to it. As for Uhura, she does wear a skirt does she not? They could have introduced/used and female character for the same result (Chapel, Rand, Helen Noel, Carol Marcus, etc).

I think you know what I mean. You weren't just talking about clothes. "Skirt," in the way that you used the term, is typically used in a derogatory way by sexists, but you can always claim you didn't know that.

Seduction aside, it is highly inappropriate for such a relationship. Even more so now they are on the same ship.

Spock wasn't giving out the ship postings. But rather than take it up with the officer who was doping so, she goes right to her lover and has a hissy fit until she gets her way (there is a further comment I'd like to make here, but some may find it offensive so I'll hold my tongue).

How do you know that Spock wasn't in charge of the assignments. It sure looked that way to me. That's why he was able to change Uhura's assignment because she'd earned it. Seems like she went to the right person to me. I don't think their relationship on the ship (or before) is inappropriate, so long as there are certain guidelines in place.

I am aware of that, Vulcans have emotions but they choose to suppress them and follow a path of logic. Yes they will occassionally encounter an event that will be too much for them to handle and emotions will break through, but even when with a mate they show great reserve and control.

Have you been in every Vulcan bedroom? You don't know that. For all we know, as soon as that door closes, some of these Vulcans can be, and are, downright as passionate as any human. And besides, for what Spock went through, I think he showed a heck of a lot more self-control and reserve than anyone else (see: the humans) would have.

Which was never expressed in TOS, but as I previously stated, is an easy assumption to make. Just because something is not stated, doesn't make it impossible to believe that it is so in Trek (which is why, until stated otherwise on screen, I will always believe that Andorians have four genders), such as comm officers being language experts.

You just made my point for me. Who's to say Spock Prime didn't harbor a secret life-long love for Prime Uhura, and that's why he urged young Spock to do what "feels right."

Chapel could whoop Nu-Uhura's ass, and sweep Spock off his feet. Between Zoe Saldana and Majel Barrett, I know who I'd go for (if I swung that way that is).

Ooookay? First, I find it interesting that even when Uhura is not even mentioned, you find a way to attack her. Second, I think you're getting your realities mixed up. I said this Spock, meaning the one played by Zachary. IIRC, In the 2009 movie, Bones says something in the medical area of the ship to a "Nurse Chapel" who is off camera. She's never seen, so again, Chapel who? I highly doubt that Ms. Majel Barrett, rest her soul, came back from the dead and/or de-aged 40 or so years just to play a character in the 2009 film that we never saw. She did, however, live long enough to give the 2009 film her blessing (I think JJ mentioned it in the commentary).

In matters of the heart and mind, it's not always about what they eyes can see. Isn't that what Star Trek's supposed to be about, at least in part? Both women are attractive, and Zoe is naturally on the thin side. You can tell by her bone structure.

Bry_Sinclair wrote:

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I find that she is far too scrawny to be attractive.

To me, Nu-Uhura really comes off as being a bit of a bitch, add that to Nu-Spock's anger issues and it doesn't exactly spell a long and happy future together.

I don't see where was she was a "bitch" exactly (and that's another derogatory term, you know). Anger issues? Okay, well, just tell me how you would feel if all of your family and everyone you knew were killed and your home was destroyed all in the same day with one crazy guy from another universe to blame for it? I think a little anger is allowed here.

[Spock/Uhura Fan]

KingDaniel wrote:

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This may sound a little weird, but here goes: I say Spock's story in STXI is an analogy for a closeted homosexual coming out. He has emotions, which his people see as extremely distasteful. He can't supress them as well as they do, but he TRIES to live up to his rigid society's expectations of emotionlessness. He acts like he doesn't have them in public.

Uhura, she's his secret release for his emotions. Their relationship is an improper and secret student-teacher one, surrogate for a secret gay one.

After his mother died and his world destroyed, Spock cracks, and "comes out" to his father (Amanda always knew, and didn't care, "whatever you do, you will always have a proud mother"), saying this is it, he can't bottle this shit up anymore, he has emotions and that's that. And Sarek says not to try, and that he's proud of him.

Spock and Uhura smooch on the transporter pad in front of everyone, Spock uses Uhura's "secret" first name. He's out now, being what he really is and wants to be, and not what his society expects.


...that's what me, a straight guy, saw. Am I the only one?

I never thought of it like that, but you make some very interesting points, and you point out some very real parallels.

[Spock/Uhura Fan]

Bry_Sinclair wrote:

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The trio is a far more important relationship to the franchise that needs to be nutured and developed, seeing how three men of different backgrounds come together to form a friendship that would last for decades to come. More screen time needs to be given to matter such as that rather than a love story (or if they do want to go that root, then they should really shake things up and have Kirk and Spock finally get together).

So it sounds like you had some hopes that were dashed in the last film, but more about that in a bit.

"Far more important" by whose standards? I think the entire team is important, but you are making it very clear that your preference is to see a movie about three men like it's an old boys club. These versions of these characters may have friendships similar to those in TOS, or not. It remains to be seen.

What I love most about your response here is that you at least are broaching what this conversation may really be about: Kirk and Spock as a gay couple, with perhaps Bones added in for good measure. I have nothing against seeing gay couples (perhaps they could introduce one down the road), but these particular characters are not of that orientation. Uhura, who you seem to have quite a lot of unnecessary hostility towards, is a reminder of that, and perhaps that's why she's being villainized.

And please don't say she's not being villainized; she is. It's like Malaika said about the last couple to few pages of this thread. So many things have been said that I've read elsewhere, and if we keep going I'll hear them all here eventually.

What you basically have pointed out is that no amount of discussion is going to do any good on this one, because we're not just talking of "friendships;" we're talking of relationship preferences. That's why Spock can't have a girlfriend/fiancée and have male friends on the side. It has nothing to do with him being half Vulcan. Because, the reality is, some people are upset that that little bee came along and stole their (Kirk/Bones') man. How dare she! That's always been the tone of these discussions, at least the ones I've read and participated in. I do thank you for your honesty, and please be bold enough to not try to take it back now.

It was nice talking to you.

[Bry_Sinclair]

serenitytrek1 wrote:

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Talk about double standard ....This is one of the reason why I honestly don’t like guys at times. Hey Bry Sinclair have you ever heard of this Christina Aguilera song called Can hold us down. Well let me tell you some of the lyrics to the song.

’’So what am I not supposed to have an opinion
Should I be quiet just because I'm a woman
Call me a bitch cos I speak what's on my mind
Guess it's easier for you to swallow if I sat and smiled’’.

Can’t say that I’ve heard of that song by Christina, though I do like “Beautiful”.

serenitytrek1 wrote:

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You call Uhura bitch and why?

Because I found her to be a cold and unlikable character, who acted unprofessionally in getting her assignment to the Enterprise and also whilst onboard it to her superior. She has an attitude that isn’t what I’d come to expect from Uhura and really grates on me.

serenitytrek1 wrote:

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o yeah... because she snubbed a drunken guy who later violated her. Uhura is a smart woman. she knew the likes of guys like Jim Kirk, Kirk is a womanizer and she was right about the sex comment, Kirk will have sex with anything.

Kirk is a womaniser, everyone knows it. But if he was a user of women, then word would spread across campus and he’d never get lucky.

serenitytrek1 wrote:

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kirk already has a reputation in star fleet academy. he has perhaps slept with many of the girls in the academy and worse he uses and humiliates women for his own personal glory....Case in point Galia and the Kobayshi maru test.

How does he “humiliate” them? I didn’t see any posters about the Academy rating the women he’s slept with, or him posting naked pictures he’s taken on his blog, or dishing the dirt with McCoy and his other friends. He is a young man at the Academy doing what many young people (both male and female) do when at university.

Galia is an Orion, who produces powerful pheromones that men can’t resist, so she more than likely bedded him.

As for the Kobyashi Maru, he gets a commendation for ‘original thinking’ for his act of sabotage and cheating. Whilst perhaps not the best reason for it, it does display out of the box thinking, which was one of the things Pike liked about him.

serenitytrek1 wrote:

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I am surprise you don’t find Kirk behaviour bitchy.As a guy you perhaps find it cool that kirk has had sex with so many women some not even human.

I have never liked Kirk. He’s a misogynistic, egotistical jerk, who gets let off with far too much by Starfleet Command (hell, they even promoted him in the Real Universe). The only good think about Nu-Kirk is that he is far hotter than RU Kirk.

Terms like “As a guy” are sexist and making huge assumptions about me, whilst “not even human” comes across as xeno-racist. You don’t seem to have issues with Nu-Uhura sleeping with a half-alien. Every Trek has characters enjoy emotional and physical relationships with others of many different species, as mature and reasonable adults.

serenitytrek1 wrote:

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I doubt uhura sleeps around in the academy like Jim and galia

No, instead she just sleeps with her professor.

serenitytrek1 wrote:

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Yet you call uhura A bitch when she only acted mean to Kirk for good reason. Kirk violated her by touching her boobs and by spying on her has she was taking of her cloths. she was right to shut him down yet you call her a bitch.

You’re right, many people would be annoyed/angry/violated to have someone watch them undress. When did he touch her breasts? That’s a scene I cannot remember.

My opinions of the character have nothing to do with that scene. I just don’t get a good feeling from the character throughout the film. Surely you’ve watched a film/series and taken a dislike to a character, everybody does. Nu-Uhura is like that for me.

serenitytrek1 wrote:

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Also Uhura deserved her place on the Enterprise.she worked hard for it and finished at the top of her class. She was right to demand that her posting be change....That is not been bitchy that's a stong independent woman.

Then why go to Spock, a man she has influence over and not the woman who was issuing the ship postings? If she is so great then she would be the one that would need to be convinced.

As for ‘strong independent woman’, I like those characters (Kira and Torres are among my favourites of any series, with Admiral Nechayev being a recurring character I have always liked, despite always being class as a ‘bitch’).

serenitytrek1 wrote:

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shame on you for calling her a bitch.

Shame on me for expressing an opinion that the character comes off as unpleasant, arrogant and stuck up, none of which has anything to do with her gender, but her as a character. I always liked Uhura, and when I heard of Nu-Trek I had hopes that they would make more of her, building on the graceful and elegant manner of Uhura from TOS, instead we get a character who is as charming as an enraged targ.

serenitytrek1 wrote:

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I swear...you BOYS.

Sexism works both ways, and comments such as this I find offensive. And please, I’m 30 years old, by no means a “boy”.

[Spock/Uhura Fan]

Okay, well I'm ready to get back to "liking" Spock/Uhura, so:



Ahhh, better.

[Bry_Sinclair]

Spock/Uhura Fan wrote:

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I do thank you for your honesty, and please be bold enough to not try to take it back now.

It was nice talking to you.

That is what the forums are for, opening discussions and debates, getting opposite opinions and understanding the beliefs of others. It's why I always keep coming back, especially when you can get some good back and forth going.

I do appreciate that the Spock/Uhura romance does open up sides of both characters for future development, and it will be interesting to see what they make of it, how it'll affect them and how it'll play into future plots.

But now after some pretty harsh attacks from serenitytrek1, I will be leaving this thread alone.

[Malaika]

Peri_peteia over livejournal (she's also the author of the essay "Uhura is not a white girl" that explains why the S/U is a step forward) made some valid points here

First of all, it was over time and largely in the movies that the original dynamic (of Bones/Kirk/Spock) organically changed to become more about Kirk and Spock's particular friendship. And, frankly, that dynamic where these two men's friendship is of absolute highest importance in their lives to the exclusion of all other relationships, explicitly or implicitly including their relationships with women, is a product of its time.

I'm sure endlessly sanctifying male homosocial relationships in media in a fit of proto-nostalgia seems like an awesome idea/respecting the source/kissing the ring of the progenitor of slash to fandom, but it's highly problematic at the very least to want to hold a modern remake of that story to this same standard when rampant misogyny and racism were a huge part of the environment that made the prominence of those original dynamics so possible.

In summary: much in the Greek fashion that people love to compare it to, one of the underlying tenants of the idea that Kirk and Spock are the single most important interpersonal relationship in each other's life...is that bitches ain't shit.

In the 60s it was reflected largely in how women were mostly invisible in terms of the story in general (unless Kirk was fucking them) and certainly in terms of its emotional arc. And now, in 2009, it's being reflected in fandom as people complain about the oh-so-horrible prospect of Uhura, as the actualfax closest person in the universe to Spock, not gettingtfo so that the ~*~bromance~*~ can be the undisputed Most Important Thing.

And people don't like to hear it, but here's the thing: Kirk+Spock is not sacrosanct. This is a different story made in a different time with different needs shaped by a different cultural mindset. (And don't even get me started on how that helps dictate the fact that Spock gets to have a relationship at all instead of just being the Othered Nerdy Jewish Friend of Hero, mostly because we currently, as a society, love nerdy jew boys.) The dynamics should change.

her whole essay here: http://peri-peteia.livejournal.com/330851.html

I cannot agree more with this observation.
The big 3 or the Kirk/Spock duo undeniably is a result of its time. Inevitably, what worked in the 60s won't necessarily work in the 2012 where some dynamics, like two male characters that have only each other and can't have other important relationships, may be perceived as illogical, boring and not so realistic. This because today people find it absolutely normal and natural that characters may have different kind of relationships. The hero can have a best friend and he can have a wife or girlfriend, the two things aren't mutually exclusive like they were in the 60-70s.
In the 60s the writers couldn't have Kirk or Spock in a serious romantic relationship with any of the female characters because: 1) female characters were totally irrelevant, for Uhura we had a combination of sexism and racism that had made her a character who was in the background and could never really shine and more importantly she couldn't be noticed by the white guys. For its time her mere presence in the show was huge. (Uhura is not a white girl)
2) fangirls didn't want their male hero to get a GF so the networks controlled this kind of things in the fear of losing viewers. Chapel was disliked by a consistent part of the fandom because of her love for Spock and the few times he had been nice with her. The writers themselves knew it and admitted that it was part of the reason why the Spock/Chapel thing was dropped and he never reciprocated her feelings on screen. (check memory alpha)
But the thing is, Gene Roddenberry possibly had never actually intended Spock to be a monk and stay alone for the eternity nor have Kirk "married to the enterprise". He had wanted to explore Spock/Uhura but he couldn't because of the racism. He tried with Spock/Chapel but the network said no to that too for the above written reason. Both Kirk and Spock were allowed to have only brief flirts with random girls that conveniently vanished by the end of the episode.
The result is that Kirk/Spock became the most prominent relationship mostly because it was the only one they were actually allowed to explore.

Spock/Uhura Fan wrote:

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So it sounds like you had some hopes that were dashed in the last film, but more about that in a bit.

"Far more important" by whose standards? I think the entire team is important, but you are making it very clear that your preference is to see a movie about three men like it's an old boys club. These versions of these characters may have friendships similar to those in TOS, or not. It remains to be seen.

What I love most about your response here is that you at least are broaching what this conversation may really be about: Kirk and Spock as a gay couple, with perhaps Bones added in for good measure.

of course Spock can't love Uhura, he's a vulcan, he can't show emotions yadda yadda yadda BUT, of course, if the couple is Kirk/Spock then we do want a romance!

I knew that sooner of later the REAL reason why some don't like S/U would finally come out.
It's all about shipping preferences, I just wish people would admit it from the beginning instead of creating these discussions about the merits of S/U that are double standard and frankly hypocritical anyway. You either like romance or you don't.

KingDaniel wrote:

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This may sound a little weird, but here goes: I say Spock's story in STXI is an analogy for a closeted homosexual coming out. He has emotions, which his people see as extremely distasteful. He can't supress them as well as they do, but he TRIES to live up to his rigid society's expectations of emotionlessness. He acts like he doesn't have them in public.

Uhura, she's his secret release for his emotions. Their relationship is an improper and secret student-teacher one, surrogate for a secret gay one.

After his mother died and his world destroyed, Spock cracks, and "comes out" to his father (Amanda always knew, and didn't care, "whatever you do, you will always have a proud mother"), saying this is it, he can't bottle this shit up anymore, he has emotions and that's that. And Sarek says not to try, and that he's proud of him.

Spock and Uhura smooch on the transporter pad in front of everyone, Spock uses Uhura's "secret" first name. He's out now, being what he really is and wants to be, and not what his society expects.


...that's what me, a straight guy, saw. Am I the only one?

you're not the only one

I think that meeting Uhura sooner and under different circumstances did it. While Spock Prime successfully (sort of) tried to be more vulcan than vulcans themselves in the end he never really had to deal with something like falling in love with someone.
NuSpock fell in love and this is a totally new dynamic, we really don't know how Spock prime would have acted under those circumstances simply because he had never lived them, to begin with. Maybe nu!Spock will learn and accept some things sooner while Spock Prime had to live a whole life before he understood them.
Personally, I like that. I always thought that his control was just an illusion anyway. There are things that you simply can't control, vulcan or otherwise.