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Old September 23 2012, 11:25 PM   #31
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I think in Japan, the title of the show translates into "Sulu: Master of Navigation!"
That's a joke Shatner made in a Saturday Night Live monologue, which some people have confused for reality. See post #13 for what it's really called in Japan.
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Old September 23 2012, 11:31 PM   #32
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I think in Japan, the title of the show translates into "Sulu: Master of Navigation!"
That's a joke Shatner made in a Saturday Night Live monologue,
I know...I wondered if anybody remembered it.
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Old September 23 2012, 11:56 PM   #33
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I'm not sure why he thought of it, but a trek is a long, difficult or adventurous journey. It took on that meaning during the Boer migration into South Africa (it was originally a Dutch word meaning to draw or pull, as in to pull a wagon), and so I'd imagine it came to be associated with the mythology of the frontier, with grand pioneering quests and arduous adventures. Roddenberry gained a lot of his prior TV experience writing Westerns -- which were a ubiquitous part of TV culture at the time -- so the term "trek" and its frontier associations were probably somewhat prominent in his awareness. So I guess when he decided to do a show about pioneers journeying into the frontiers of space -- especially one that he pitched as "Wagon Train to the stars," in reference to a famous, successful Western series whose format he wanted to emulate -- Star Trek made sense to him as a title.
I wonder what the show would have looked like if they kept to the concept of wagon train to the stars? For one there was very little settlement in Star Trek, the show was about explorers not settlers. If it was to keep true to the wagon train concept it should have been about a number of families wanted to settle on a planet, they sell everything they had to purchase tickets on a starship to take them to a frontier planet so they can establish themselves, it would have been a very different Star Trek than the one we are familiar with, it would be about those families and not about a captain and his crew exploring various planets. I think the show Lost in Space was closer to the concept of Wagon Train to the Stars that Star Trek was.

Star Trek and Lost in Space are actually siblings, they both descend from the same movie Forbidden Planet. Lost in Space take the flying saucer and the Robot, gives it another top, and replaces the Crew in Forbidden Planet with a Family, the Family is a science fiction version of the Swiss Family Robinson, and instead of being marooned on an Island, they are marooned on a planet. Star Trek by contrast takes the paramilitary crew of Forbidden Planet and expands the United Planets into the United Federation of Planets, the Forbidden Planet Saucer is expanded to a space only starship with projections sticking out of the saucer section.
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Old September 24 2012, 12:22 AM   #34
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I wonder what the show would have looked like if they kept to the concept of wagon train to the stars?
This is widely misunderstood these days... it wasn't "wagon train to the stars," it was "Wagon Train to the stars." Wagon Train was a successful Western TV series that was famous for its semi-anthology format; it had a standing cast of regulars, but a typical episode would focus on a featured guest star of the week as a member of the wagon train and deal with that guest star's particular drama. Roddenberry wasn't literally saying he wanted to do a show about a wagon train in space; he was saying he wanted to make a space drama that was similar in format and approach to the show called Wagon Train. Network executives in the '60s hearing "Wagon Train to the stars" would know exactly what he meant, because at the time Roddenberry first started pitching ST, Wagon Train was had been around for seven seasons and was still on the air. But today, the show is largely forgotten, so most people don't realize that Roddenberry was referring to a show title, not an actual wagon train.
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Old September 26 2012, 01:28 PM   #35
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Or in German, "Raumschiff (spaceship) Enterprise."
So what was Enterprise, the series called?
Starting with Deep Space Nine German TV used the original titles, so first "Enterprise", and later "Star Trek: Enterprise".

Just in case you're curious: TNG was named "Raumschiff Enterprise - Das nächste Jahrhundert" ("Starship Enterprise - The next Century"
Actually Voyager has been aired with two different titles. It was "Star Trek Raumschiff Voyager" when it first aired. On the DVDs and later repeats it was "Star Trek Voyager". It still comes up as "Star Trek Raumschiff Voyager" sometimes.
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I wonder what the show would have looked like if they kept to the concept of wagon train to the stars? For one there was very little settlement in Star Trek, the show was about explorers not settlers. If it was to keep true to the wagon train concept...
This is a common enough misconception. When Roddenberry used Wagon Train as shorthand he wasn't referring to the format i.e. settlers traveling west. What he was referencing was the idea that the series wasn't set in one place, and that, like a wagon train with its many wagons and members of the party, the ship was big enough to have lots of people pop up for an episode, tell a story about them, and they could disappear again. Likewise, just as the wagon train could meet people along the route, his starship could meet people on various planets and on other ships it encountered.
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