Generations deleted scenes

[Grant]

^^My thoughts too.

Nobody at UCLA is a Trek nut?!?

Well if Paramount claims they can't locate the deleted footage for any future DVD/Blu-ray release--all they have to do is copy the UCLA version and release the footage in B & W.

[22 Stars]

Is there an existing thread that you started about this, sounds like a fun journey and a great find.

[Oso Blanco]

Grant wrote:

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the mentioning of Sulu's promotion to captain of Excelsior

Is this the scene where Sulu's line got cut off in the shuttle?

[22 Stars]

Oso Blanco wrote:

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Is this the scene where Sulu's line got cut off in the shuttle?

Yeah, that cutting Sulu's line while his mouth is still open always bugs me!

[Grant]

Oso Blanco wrote:

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Is this the scene where Sulu's line got cut off in the shuttle?

Yes! It's a mere 15 seconds cut and NO Shatner did not botch it on purpose. His best performance--no, but did he throw the scene? NO.

And there is an added line (not in the script) by McCoy where McCoy enthusiastically congatulates Sulu---that i assume they added to counter the monotone delivery by shatner.

It COULD have been used and noone would have raised an eyebrow about the performances. They cut it for other reasons.

[Grant]

22 Stars wrote:

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Yeah, that cutting Sulu's line while his mouth is still open always bugs me!

Me too. and if you use freeze frame it's cut both before AND after the exterior cutaway. You can see his mouth opening and closing at both ends of the final version.

In the workprint he finally gets to be heard!

[Oso Blanco]

So how did Sulu finish his line?

[Grant]

Oso Blanco wrote:

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So how did Sulu finish his line?

He says,

"Any chance to go aboard Enterprise (however briefly, is always a chance for nostalgia." Kirk-"With Spock in command, any chance I'll turn up anything?")

Then the exterior cutaway and then Kirk says

("By the end of the month you'll have your command--U.S.S. Excelsior.
McCoy--"Well congratulations Commander."
Sulu--"Thank you sir, I've looked forward to that for a long time!)

Resume---
Kirk--"Well I for one am happy to have you at the helm...."

They cut Sulu off at 'however' and it comes back as he says 'time' in the theatrical version.

[los2188]

I apologize for my comments and behaviour. I reached the very end of my patience. People are free to think what they want, and I joined this site to talk all things Trek and have fun. My apologies for name calling. All my best to you Grant.

[Grant]

los2188 wrote:

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I apologize for my comments and behaviour. I reached the very end of my patience. People are free to think what they want, and I joined this site to talk all things Trek and have fun. My apologies for name calling. All my best to you Grant.

Accepted. No problem. Life is too short to hold a grudge over this kind of thing. Best to you.

And I apologize as well! Too harsh in some posts--I admit!

[Therin of Andor]

Grant wrote:

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Yes! It's a mere 15 seconds cut and NO Shatner did not botch it on purpose. His best performance--no, but did he throw the scene? NO.

He may have been doing the other off-camera Shatner standard. Crossing his eyes, or looking bored, while his screen mate attempted delivery of their closeups.

Just ask Yvonne Craig.

[wahwahkits]

Robin Curtis had issues with Shatner too

[Grant]

Therin of Andor wrote:

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He may have been doing the other off-camera Shatner standard. Crossing his eyes, or looking bored, while his screen mate attempted delivery of their closeups.

Just ask Yvonne Craig.

He may have been doing whatever whenever, but the scene as cut into the movie was fine--could have been used and it would have worked. They cut it for another reason.
Also Takei's performance was fine as well--he wasn't looking at Shatner--he's staring out the pod window 'piloting the shuttle'. I guess it's a blessing to do a scene with shatner and not have to look at him!

[CaptainStoner]

Los, you look great for 5 kids. Just sayin'

[Therin of Andor]

Grant wrote:

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He may have been doing whatever whenever, but the scene as cut into the movie was fine--could have been used and it would have worked. They cut it for another reason.

It's no secret that they only put the scene in the script as the final tempter to get Takei to sign a contract. He had held out till one day after principal photography started, IIRC. He said if the role was a repeat of TMP, just sitting and piloting, then he wasn't interested because Sulu would have moved on by now. It has been suggested that Bennett and Meyer were never really serious about keeping the line in, but there was still hope - and the vague promise that future ST films might have meatier roles. George often says that the actors always took each ST film one at a time; they assumed each one was "the last one".

But... you said "NO Shatner did not botch it on purpose" and Takei himself told me - in 1984, at his house - long before he started mentioning it at conventions or in his autobiography - that Shatner deliberately did his renowned Shatner trick (which often meant that the only usable take is a Shatner closeup rather than the other person in a scene). So if that makes George a liar in your book, so be it. He seemed genuine enough at the time and it wasn't onstage bravado to hundreds of amused fans, it was a quiet chat over green tea.

I guess it's a blessing to do a scene with shatner and not have to look at him!

Perhaps George was trying not to look at Shatner, who was off-camera crossing his eyes or doing bored-face.