IDW to publish post-Nemesis TNG Borg story, possibly Destiny

[Sci]

Edit_XYZ wrote:

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Bob Orci - TPTB regarding creating canon material - declared all tie-in material developed under his supervision canon (Countdown being specifically mentioned):
http://trekmovie.com/2012/07/17/excl...game-as-canon/

Except he meant it facetiously. This is obvious from the context.

And Orci himsef confirms that he did not actullay mean it when he said that in comment 102 on your same link.

So, no, Star Trek: Countdown is not canon.

Active borg technology existing a few years down the line, in order to retrofit the Narada, is canon - which is incompatible with what we learned of Caeliar neutralized borg tech AKA the borg will come back.

Not necessarily. A Singular Destiny revealed that some Borg technology was still present in the post-Caeliar Milky Way Galaxy, with the potential to be re-activated. Borg technology without actual Borg presence is not incompatible with the events of the Destiny trilogy.

[King Daniel]

Edit_XYZ wrote:

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Bob Orci - TPTB regarding creating canon material - declared all tie-in material developed under his supervision canon (Countdown being specifically mentioned):
http://trekmovie.com/2012/07/17/excl...game-as-canon/
Meaning - Data revival is canon.

From the comments...

Bob Orci wrote:

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0h please. have a little fun. i said and have said exactly what you just said forever, but Pascale pushed me, he wont give up! i have said a million times that we cant determine what is canon. on this day, i said something else. “consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds”

Just a pushy interviewer wanting a big headline.

Edit_XYZ wrote:

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Active borg technology existing a few years down the line, in order to retrofit the Narada, is canon - which is incompatible with what we learned of Caeliar neutralized borg tech AKA the borg will come back.

It's been awhile since I read Countdown, but I think Narada was actually refitted with a Romulan-built knockoff of Borg technology, created from the study of the real deal. Not actual Borg tech.
And, as Sci pointed out, A Singular Destiny leaves the door open for that kind of thing anyway.

The Typhon Pact novels have certainly dropped hints toward a Countdown-ish future (Spock becoming a legal resident of Romulus in 2283, Picard offered the role of Federation Ambassador etc.) but it's not a sure thing yet.

[Edit_XYZ]

KingDaniel wrote:

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It's been awhile since I read Countdown, but I think Narada was actually refitted with a Romulan-built knockoff of Borg technology, created from the study of the real deal. Not actual Borg tech.
And, as Sci pointed out, A Singular Destiny leaves the door open for that kind of thing anyway.

Likewise a while since I've read 'Countdown' - I recall actual borg tech being used on the Narada in that comic - no cheap knock-off.

As for - 'A singular destiny' - it established the only surviving borg tech was fully inactive and all attempts to activate it will turn it into ash.
If someone actually figures out how to reactivate borg tech - easy coming back card for the borg.

The Typhon Pact novels have certainly dropped hints toward a Countdown-ish future (Spock becoming a legal resident of Romulus in 2283, Picard offered the role of Federation Ambassador etc.) but it's not a sure thing yet.

Hopefully, they won't go all the way - Data's resurrection, Vulcan-Federation relationship making the Andor-Federation one look healthy, borg - really, these are not good creative decisions.

[kirk55555]

I read the first issue of Hive, and I thought it was ok. I do have a few questions about some things in the issue

I know a lot of ST stuff not on TV/movies isn't in continuity with each other (some books/comics are, like the Shatner books and some of the more recent books, but this comic is confusing me. Why is seven a Borg again? I haven't been able to read any of the newer Voyager Novels (and by new I mean anything older than the novels set before the end of the series) but, looking at Memory beta, even in the books shes not a borg again (her article on MB was confusing enough, talking about some alien species removing her borg implants, but she was definately not a borg). Just from the first issue of Hive I'm pretty sure that, reguardless of the intent, in my head I'll just classify it as a fantasy ST story (like the silver age Superman comics having Lois/Jimmy dream stories that would never happen). For my own personal fandom of Star Trek, I count the TV shows/movies as canon (of course) and the better newer books (like Destiny, which I need to finish, the Typhoon pack books, the DS9 after series books, etc) as what came after the various series ended, along with some of the better older books. I wish ST had been a bit more like star Wars, where 90% of the things published are in continuity. When it comes to expanded content, I like the sT stuff, but it can't match the SW stuff (the Star Wars expanded universe, to me, is much more entertaining than any of the movies, and only sucks when Lucas takes a hand in it, like the Clone Wars movie/cartoon).

While I love comics, I rarely read ST comics, so I don't usually think about if they have their own continuity. I am curious what continuity this is connected to that has Seven as a borg. Is it the IDW comics in general? I guess they wouldn't follow the continuity of the books, but this is just weird, and they didn't explain why she was a borg again, they acted like you should just know. I was especially confused because the cover of the issue has her in her normal look, with some borg implants but not a borg, and in a Starfleet uniform, so that made me even more confused. Does anyone know the story behind her being a full borg in this comic?

[Christopher]

^The IDW comics have no consistent continuity. Aside from the ongoing movie-universe comic and the various interconnected John Byrne miniseries, IDW's miniseries and one-shots are generally completely self-contained. I'm sure the particular change you mention is specific to the timeline this comic is set in, and it's probably meant to be a mystery whose explanation will be given in upcoming issues.

[The Wormhole]

Indeed, Braga discussed that particular spoiler in a recent interview as one of the stories this series is telling. Answers will come in the following issues.

[Sci]

Edit_XYZ wrote:

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As for - 'A singular destiny' - it established the only surviving borg tech was fully inactive and all attempts to activate it will turn it into ash.

Had turned it to ash. Not "will."

A Singular Destiny leaves the door open to the possibility of Borg-less Borg technology eventually becoming functional. It doesn't establish that it will, but the door is open.

If someone actually figures out how to reactivate borg tech - easy coming back card for the borg.

There are a thousand ways the authors of the novels could bring the Borg back if they wanted; no one is contesting that. It would just be a bad idea.

[JoeZhang]

kirk55555 wrote:

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I read the first issue of Hive, and I thought it was ok. I do have a few questions about some things in the issue

I know a lot of ST stuff not on TV/movies isn't in continuity with each other (some books/comics are, like the Shatner books and some of the more recent books, but this comic is confusing me. Why is seven a Borg again? I haven't been able to read any of the newer Voyager Novels (and by new I mean anything older than the novels set before the end of the series) but, looking at Memory beta, even in the books shes not a borg again (her article on MB was confusing enough, talking about some alien species removing her borg implants, but she was definately not a borg). Just from the first issue of Hive I'm pretty sure that, reguardless of the intent, in my head I'll just classify it as a fantasy ST story (like the silver age Superman comics having Lois/Jimmy dream stories that would never happen). For my own personal fandom of Star Trek, I count the TV shows/movies as canon (of course) and the better newer books (like Destiny, which I need to finish, the Typhoon pack books, the DS9 after series books, etc) as what came after the various series ended, along with some of the better older books. I wish ST had been a bit more like star Wars, where 90% of the things published are in continuity. When it comes to expanded content, I like the sT stuff, but it can't match the SW stuff (the Star Wars expanded universe, to me, is much more entertaining than any of the movies, and only sucks when Lucas takes a hand in it, like the Clone Wars movie/cartoon).

While I love comics, I rarely read ST comics, so I don't usually think about if they have their own continuity. I am curious what continuity this is connected to that has Seven as a borg. Is it the IDW comics in general? I guess they wouldn't follow the continuity of the books, but this is just weird, and they didn't explain why she was a borg again, they acted like you should just know. I was especially confused because the cover of the issue has her in her normal look, with some borg implants but not a borg, and in a Starfleet uniform, so that made me even more confused. Does anyone know the story behind her being a full borg in this comic?

The "why" I believe is answered in the next issue but it's already been spoilt by the author in interviews.

[Fer]

JoeZhang wrote:

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The "why" I believe is answered in the next issue but it's already been spoilt by the author in interviews.

Yeah, I definitely got the impression that was done in classic cliffhanger style, to make the reader go "why?!?" and come back next issue to find out. We're not supposed to know yet. (Which makes me glad I haven't read those interviews JoeZhang mentioned!)

[Dimesdan]

Christopher wrote:

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Huh? Of course not, why would you think that? It's hardly unusual for different creators working in the same universe to arrive at similar ideas -- in fact, it's pretty much unavoidable. And it's not as if "the Borg eventually conquer the whole galaxy" is a difficult idea to come up with. I'm just suggesting that, while of course this comic is offering a separate interpretation than the novelverse does, the reader could choose to interpret it as an alternate timeline following the precedent that's already been laid out in the prose. Although, of course, I haven't read the comic yet so I don't know for sure whether that could work.

I was going by your "make of that what you will" comment and asked a question given your adamant assertion that television producers don't ever read books. Ever.

Anyway, the comic at hand, I picked it up earlier and I really liked it, having only ever really taken the time to buy and subsequently read the Doctor Who/Next Generation cross over, I don't have much to base this on, but I thought the art work was a lot better than that. I'm intrigued by the story and the fact that

Seven has been reassimilated -my money is on she and the other Borg could be from an alternate timeline.

Having the Borg recreate Data was interesting aswell and should be interested to see where that is going

I also liked the seventh fleet and trying to recognise the different Starships, The Titan looked a bit elongated and I'm sure a couple of the ships were from the Full Circle Fleet which were both little tips of the hat to the Novelverse.

I'm rather looking forward to seeing where this is all going.

[Drago-Kazov]

Any chance for a Titan comic?

[Allyn Gibson]

Drago-Kazov wrote:

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Any chance for a Titan comic?

According to Andy Mangels, who talked to IDW about one, no.

[Therin of Andor]

Allyn Gibson wrote:

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According to Andy Mangels, who talked to IDW about one, no.

He tried pitching several times, IIRC, both before and after the severing of the Mangels & Martin writing partnership.

[Drago-Kazov]

Too bad, he wrote a great Fett comic.

[JD]

Therin of Andor wrote:

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He tried pitching several times, IIRC, both before and after the severing of the Mangels & Martin writing partnership.

One of his pitches even had Tim Russ involved, but they still turned him down.