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View Poll Results: Rate Brinkmanship.
Outstanding 25 27.47%
Above Average 44 48.35%
Average 16 17.58%
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Old September 22 2012, 04:19 AM   #31
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Re: TP: Brinkmanship by Una McCormack Review Thread (Spoilers!)

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I've just read Brinkmanship.

Quick impression? It's very strong, well-plotted and well-written, and morally ambiguous in a compelling way. (I'd argue that this book does for the Tzenkethi what The Romulan Way did for the Romulans. Interesting parallels between the two books.)

More later.
Wow, that was fast!
I can't wait to read your review. The Tzekethi version of The Romulan Way, huh?
McCormack also creates an all-new alien civilization that I found pretty compelling.


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Old September 22 2012, 05:13 AM   #32
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Really excited about this, I hope the Aventine and her crew will be the main focus, with the Enterprise playing a smaller role as in the last 2 TP books, we are getting a TNG trilogy starting next month after all!!
I'd like them to have an equal amount of screen time (page time), though I do agree that Ezri should have a big focus, she sort of took the back seat in Zero Sum Game, if I remember right.
Yep. Certainly, show us her inner thoughts and feelings, instead of limiting her characterization to dialogue.

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Let's just hope Una will make Ezri less of an arrogant know-it-all. From the first relaunch novels, novel-Ezri has not been a very good character to me, even though I really liked Ezri in season 7 of DS9.
I'm not sure "arrogant" is the right word there. To arrogate something is to assert a status or privilege to which one is not actually entitled. Dax has lived for over 300 years, done many different jobs, and been joined to a number of brilliant individuals. So any Trill who's joined to Dax is going to know, if not "it all," then certainly an exceptionally large percentage of "it." She's not just putting on airs, trying to act superior; she really is that smart, and she's just using what she's got,
Not exactly. There was the notorious incident when Ezri snapped at Julian in This Grey Spirit, basically accusing him of not accepting her growth or something. (The book also had her lashing out at Shar, too....)

There was her frankly sorry lines of reasoning for wanting to end the relationship with Bashir (not just "You were in love with Jadzia"--he wasn't--but "we came together not knowing whether we'd live past the first day, and that doesn't bode well for a stable relationship".).

And then there was the clash in ZSG. Look, I'm possibly the biggest Ezri fan on the whole BBS--and I wouldn't shrug off those frankly childish moments as "just really being that smart and using what she's got".

rather than resisting it as Ezri did in her first year as a joined Trill.
No, she wasn't resisting--by any stretch of the imagination. In her own words, she was trying to set herself apart from her previous hosts--that is, not let their past experiences force her onto any set path of career or personality.

A shame, to be blunt, that the Relaunch writers seemed to want to jettison that, instead of explore the implications and results of that choice.
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Old September 22 2012, 05:15 AM   #33
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I am look forward to Ezri getting really spread her wings and get more development as a captain.
Absolutely!
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Old September 22 2012, 11:13 AM   #34
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Should be available this weekend for ordering over at bol.com, so next weekend should find me reading this!!
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Old September 22 2012, 01:56 PM   #35
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Thank you rfmcdpei for such thoughtful responses to Brinkmanship. Always nail-biting waiting for the first review. Much appreciated.

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Old September 22 2012, 05:04 PM   #36
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It's not the knowledge she has, it's the way she comes across as if everyone should agree with her, because.
Agreed. I hated her in Zero Sum Game. Not keeping her first officer in the loop regarding the Klingon ships and then dismissing his concerns in front of the bridge crew. And her sarcastic reply to an officer's report during a crisis situation came off as unprofessional and uncalled for.

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Perhaps that just how it comes across to me, and not how she was written.
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Old September 22 2012, 06:54 PM   #37
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It's not the knowledge she has, it's the way she comes across as if everyone should agree with her, because.
Agreed. I hated her in Zero Sum Game. Not keeping her first officer in the loop regarding the Klingon ships and then dismissing his concerns in front of the bridge crew. And her sarcastic reply to an officer's report during a crisis situation came off as unprofessional and uncalled for.

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Perhaps that just how it comes across to me, and not how she was written.
It's not just you.
The point you make about the events in ZSG, very good point! How can a good commanding officer keep things like this from his/her XO? I mean, I understand that some things are to be kept on a need to know basis, but how was that need to know??
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Old September 22 2012, 08:31 PM   #38
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Thank you rfmcdpei for such thoughtful responses to Brinkmanship. Always nail-biting waiting for the first review. Much appreciated.
It's a very good book.

I've one small Sam Bowers-related question that I'd like to ask of you.

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Old September 22 2012, 10:24 PM   #39
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How can a good commanding officer keep things like this from his/her XO? I mean, I understand that some things are to be kept on a need to know basis, but how was that need to know??
Exactly. I'm sure the idea was to keep it a surprise for the reader, but I'm not sure why it had to be kept from Bowers as well.
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Old September 23 2012, 12:43 AM   #40
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Three days until it downloads to my kindle
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Old September 23 2012, 11:45 AM   #41
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Can't wait! Is the cover of the book the same as advertised on Amazon.com? If so I have a mail to sent!
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Old September 24 2012, 09:45 AM   #42
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Should have this in by the end of the week, can't wait!! The Neverending Sacrifice is still one of the best Treknovels I've ever read, so I'm quite psyched for this one.
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Old September 25 2012, 02:32 AM   #43
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Just finished this wonderful novel! I picked it up on Saturday at my local Barnes and Noble and finished it about a minute ago. Literally had trouble putting the book down. Very entertaining with a great, strong story.

One thing I loved: McCormack knew when to be extremely detailed. Not every chapter was this long, drawn out scene that ultimately led to some sort of confrontation. Instead, McCormack wasted no time getting to the point. I really liked that.

I'll give more of my thoughts after more people have read the novel. For those who haven't: you're in for a great read!
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Old September 25 2012, 07:32 AM   #44
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Just finished it, and it only took me a day so it is either great or good by my scale.

Ms. McCormack, like in Hollow Men, takes two stories that seem to be seperate, then unites them in the end giving you that "ohhh, that's what was going on" feeling.

Picard doesn't seem to be doing much in this book. Ezri just seems to be there to cast suspicion on Peter and to have the Aventine be there to recover Efheny. Poor Crusher gets shafted for the greater good. Beverly tries to put her ideals into practice but soon finds out that she is on the bottom rungs of the totem pole and the rungs up top don't have time for her nonsense. The Federation is in a "with friends like these..." situation in that the Ferengi will cut a deal on their own if it suits them and the Cardassians have their own plans.

Did Efheny go a bit mad? I still don't quite get why she stayed. Did Alex go a bit mad as well? It seems that spies aren't doing a good enough job blending into Tzenkethi society and it's only the belief by the locals that they're lower caste trying to be upper caste, is what keeps them from being caught all the time.

Picard should change the expression from "anyone remember when we were explorers?" to "anyone remember when we had principles and ideals?" I know they have mortal enemies surrounding them and all but, it's gettin pretty grim.

I liked the fleshing out of the Tzenkethi and the Venette were an interesting addition to the Trek races. The OCD in me was looking at Geoffrey Mandel's Star Charts to see how you can border the Cardassians and the Ferengi at the same time.

The Lotus Flower was my favorite story in World's of DS9. The Neverending Sacrifice was great but Hollow Men was average. I'll give Brinkmanship an above average.
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Old September 25 2012, 05:02 PM   #45
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I am rereading The Eternal Tide for a review at Trek.fm and then I am all over this!
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