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Old September 21 2012, 01:09 AM   #31
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Re: TNG Characters in the JJ-Verse

Only if there is a compelling story to tell with such a character. The current producers should certainly not feel any obligation to include such a character.
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Old September 21 2012, 02:22 AM   #32
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Maybe it's just me, but I kind of get the feeling that the current Trek writers and producers have very little interest in TNG Trek saga. I just hate to see TNG seem almost buried to some degree. I know, I know...the TNG era doesn't fit in this era. I love what they're doing with Trek now, but I'm also loyal to TNG....like I was to TOS....for me...it'll all blend together in time. Just thought it would be neat to see a TNG presence in one of the movies one day......to see TNG thru JJ's eyes.
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Old September 21 2012, 02:24 AM   #33
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I'm waiting for Janeway to crash through a space time thingie and wow NuKirk.
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Old September 21 2012, 06:15 AM   #34
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I can just imagine her facepalming in front of a confused Enterprise bridge crew and saying "this is why I hate this space-time crap".
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Old September 21 2012, 10:25 AM   #35
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If said TNG character is immortal by human standards and thus should presumably have been around in the Abrams filmverse timeframe, then it would be appropriate.
Guinan! And she would probably know that there is something wrong with this timeline.
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Old September 21 2012, 01:30 PM   #36
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I was just curious...who and how would you bring a TNG character into the JJ-verse Trek for a one time cameo or role.
I emphatically wouldn't. I can't remotely fathom what the appeal would be. TNG forged it's own creative direction, with so very few references to Trek's history. I would save all the characters for if/when they jumped forward in Trek's chronology to make Star Trek: The Next Generation: The Movie.

It's stupid, I know but I'm trying my best to see how we could get a TNG character in new Trek outside of playing someone's distant relative, i.e. Colonel Worf.
I have a great deal of difficulty understanding the appeal of this. Why do it? I ran away from the novels when they went crossover-crazy years back. Pass the torch, pass the torch, I'm sick of the damn torch. F*** the torches and the crossovers! What's the appeal?! Obviously it requires formidable logic-hoops to jump through, without even sorting out how the character would interact in a time and place and with characters where they don't belong. Why is this in any way desirable?
Dax exists in the JJ Abrams Universe, a character simply has to be old enough to live in both centuries, they could bring Dax into a movie and have another actor play him or her very easily.

Guinan could also make an appearance since she also lived in the 19th century.

Q could certainly make a show, they might get a different actor to play him, but no matter.
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Old September 21 2012, 03:52 PM   #37
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It's not less deterministic.
It is.

The fact that the same crew got together on the same ship with the same command structure despite all the changes in the timeline shows the Bad Robot method of time travel. They believe that certain things are fated to happen, regardless of if it makes sense. They even said that time tries to repair itself, which is basically mumbo jumbo for fate, not determinism.
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Old September 21 2012, 04:33 PM   #38
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Considering that Kirk and co. save the galaxy a few times, the universe can perhaps be forgiven for nudging them together after things went wonky in 2233.
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Old September 21 2012, 04:39 PM   #39
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If said TNG character is immortal by human standards and thus should presumably have been around in the Abrams filmverse timeframe, then it would be appropriate.
Guinan! And she would probably know that there is something wrong with this timeline.
Since it's a parallel timeline that exists beside the "original" one, probably not. Especially if her "time sense" is related to the Nexus, which she hasn't encountered yet in the ST09 timeline.
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Old September 21 2012, 07:46 PM   #40
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Since it's a parallel timeline that exists beside the "original" one, probably not. Especially if her "time sense" is related to the Nexus, which she hasn't encountered yet in the ST09 timeline.
Who is to say that the alternate timeline from Yesterday's Enterprise is not a parallel timeline as well?

About her "time sense" ... it has never been explained how she got it. Could be related to the Nexus, or could be some El Aurian thing.
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Old September 21 2012, 07:49 PM   #41
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I'm waiting for Janeway to crash through a space time thingie and wow NuKirk.
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Old September 21 2012, 10:06 PM   #42
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It's not less deterministic.
It is.

The fact that the same crew got together on the same ship with the same command structure despite all the changes in the timeline shows the Bad Robot method of time travel. They believe that certain things are fated to happen, regardless of if it makes sense. They even said that time tries to repair itself, which is basically mumbo jumbo for fate, not determinism.
But that's not Bad Robot's method of time travel. That is what happens after the time travel. The method of time travel is branching or "multiverse theory", whatever you want to call it. The branching model is not less deterministic than the single-timeline model. And as far as the "time tries to repair itself" concept, didn't that get stated somewhere in quantum-mechanical terms rather than "fate" terms?
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Old September 21 2012, 10:24 PM   #43
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The fact that the same crew got together on the same ship with the same command structure despite all the changes in the timeline shows the Bad Robot method of time travel. They believe that certain things are fated to happen, regardless of if it makes sense.
Just like every parallel universe story Trek as ever done.
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Old September 21 2012, 10:27 PM   #44
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Since it's a parallel timeline that exists beside the "original" one, probably not. Especially if her "time sense" is related to the Nexus, which she hasn't encountered yet in the ST09 timeline.
Who is to say that the alternate timeline from Yesterday's Enterprise is not a parallel timeline as well?

About her "time sense" ... it has never been explained how she got it. Could be related to the Nexus, or could be some El Aurian thing.
Guinan seemed to think it was a timeline gone wrong not a parallel.

Since we've only actually seen three El Aurians its hard to say, but only Guinan seems to have the "timesense".
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Old September 21 2012, 10:34 PM   #45
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Since it's a parallel timeline that exists beside the "original" one, probably not. Especially if her "time sense" is related to the Nexus, which she hasn't encountered yet in the ST09 timeline.
Who is to say that the alternate timeline from Yesterday's Enterprise is not a parallel timeline as well?

About her "time sense" ... it has never been explained how she got it. Could be related to the Nexus, or could be some El Aurian thing.
Guinan seemed to think it was a timeline gone wrong not a parallel.

Since we've only actually seen three El Aurians its hard to say, but only Guinan seems to have the "timesense".
Could be a timeline gone wrong,or like for ST 2009,a parallel timeline/universe created by the arrival of something/someone from the future "Tasha Yar" and a few things from the E-D.
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