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Old September 19 2012, 12:18 AM   #61
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Re: The Top 40 Male Film Lead Actors of all Time

Yes. The Painted Veil and Down in the Valley.

Both roles reeked of incredible vanity.
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Old September 19 2012, 12:23 AM   #62
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Certainly. He doesn't have longevity yet, but the talent is potentially stratospheric. Look at the four stages of his single character in AMERICAN HISTORY X. More chameleonic than Hanks, more sober than Burton, and less weepy than Penn.
Well, we disagree. Hanks isn't a cameleon at all (well except for Forrest Gump). He is more like a Cary Grant. Loads of charisma and likability with enough acting chops to win you over no matter the role. Sean Penn is a chameleon. He played both Spicolli AND Harvey Milk, to perfection, not to mention a myriad of other roles. You may not like the guy -- he gets on my nerves too sometimes, but he is an extroidinary acting talent.

I saw American History X and liked it a lot. In fact, I like Norton. I just don't think he should be ranked ahead of such accomplished actors (including Richard Burton). They are multiple Oscar nominees and winners.

I always felt Norton had "potential" to be great too, but so far, he has seemed to reach a plateau and that plateau isn't on Hanks, Burton, and Penn's levels. It makes me think that Norton has talent, just not enough to place him among the all time greats.
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Old September 19 2012, 01:21 AM   #63
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Have to disagree with you about Arnie though. Yes he's a good actor and a kick butt action adventure guy... but his douchebaggery kind of kicks that off a cliff.
Douchebaggery?

If we start eliminating douchebags, this is going to be a short list. Hollywood breeds douchebags like rabbits.
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Old September 19 2012, 01:44 AM   #64
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Agreed. If we believe HOLLYWOODLAND, even Spencer Tracy had his bad points......

Let's not forget that Richard Burton himself had a high percentage of stinkers. Not all of them co-starred Elizabeth Taylor. But for me, his greatest role was playing with his wife: WHO'S AFRAID OF VIRGINIA WOOLF? It still strikes me as insane how he could lose his Best Actor nomination for that, no matter who he ran against.
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Old September 19 2012, 01:31 PM   #65
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Incoming......

40. Arnold Schwarzenegger
39. Spencer Tracy
38. Steve McQueen
37. Gary Cooper
36. Daniel Craig
35. Errol Flynn
34. Sean Penn
33. Richard Burton
32. Tom Hanks
31. Edward Norton
30. Paul Newman
29. Michael Caine
28. William Holden
27. Clive Owen
26. Samuel L. Jackson
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Old September 19 2012, 02:00 PM   #66
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Clive Owen and Samuel L. Jackson?

a. longevity
b. talent
c. badassery
d. character actor excellence in lead roles
e. cultural impact

b, c and maybe a little e for Jackson. But Owen? He only has b.
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Old September 19 2012, 02:41 PM   #67
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Owen's got c in spades! Have you never seen Shoot Em Up? He kills a man with a carrot!
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Old September 19 2012, 10:21 PM   #68
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SHOOT 'EM UP is Owen's closest thing to a paycheck role. Even so, he brings more humor than most to it, partially due to his tired action monotone. In SIN CITY he's very much the badass. In CLOSER he tells Julia Roberts off in spectacular fashion, yet she still stays married to him. That's power. And if you haven't discovered INSIDE MAN yet, he's equally brilliant there. Another up-and-comer....

Samuel L. Jackson can be pigeonholed in films, or utterly wasted in George Lucas flicks, but he can often alternate between art-house and commercial features and perform commendably in both. 187, UNBREAKABLE and JUNGLE FEVER are among his best. Also TEAM AMERICA: WORLD POLICE.
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Old September 20 2012, 08:50 AM   #69
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Closer is a brilliant film, and he's probably the best thing in it, also the closest thing to a hero in the film (yes he's a bastard but of the four main characters he's the only honest one amongst them!) He's great in The Croupier as well.
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Old September 20 2012, 10:47 AM   #70
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Clive Owen for President.

Or if not, PLEASE put him in a movie against Daniel Craig in the great tradition of FACE/OFF. Either one could be the villain but for dramatic purposes I'd rather it be Craig.
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Old September 20 2012, 01:40 PM   #71
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40. Arnold Schwarzenegger
39. Spencer Tracy
38. Steve McQueen
37. Gary Cooper
36. Daniel Craig
35. Errol Flynn
34. Sean Penn
33. Richard Burton
32. Tom Hanks
31. Edward Norton
30. Paul Newman
29. Michael Caine
28. William Holden
27. Clive Owen
26. Samuel L. Jackson
25. Marlon Brando
24. Al Pacino
23. Charlton Heston
22. Burt Lancaster
21. Frank Sinatra
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Old September 20 2012, 07:46 PM   #72
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40. Arnold Schwarzenegger
39. Spencer Tracy
38. Steve McQueen
37. Gary Cooper
36. Daniel Craig
35. Errol Flynn
34. Sean Penn
33. Richard Burton
32. Tom Hanks
31. Edward Norton
30. Paul Newman
29. Michael Caine
28. William Holden
27. Clive Owen
26. Samuel L. Jackson
25. Marlon Brando
24. Al Pacino
23. Charlton Heston
22. Burt Lancaster
21. Frank Sinatra
These are just your picks, right?

Sinatra and Charlton Heston are both better actors than Brando...
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Old September 20 2012, 08:16 PM   #73
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Morgan Freeman deserves a mention.
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Old September 20 2012, 10:44 PM   #74
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More on that later, one way or another.

Brando has less stinkers than Burton, but Sinatra and Heston have less than Brando. Ergo cognito kumquat.
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Old September 21 2012, 01:12 AM   #75
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There sure are a lot of white guys on that list. But, that's Hollywood.

I can't stand Burt Lancaster, really. He's in some good movies, but he's often the worst thing about them. Witness Gunfight at the O.K. Corral, a Western that nears brilliance only to have it dulled every time Lancaster's more conventional lead usurps the screen from Kirk Douglas.
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