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View Poll Results: Rate The Eternal Tide.
Outstanding 85 49.42%
Above Average 52 30.23%
Average 28 16.28%
Below Average 2 1.16%
Poor 5 2.91%
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Old September 20 2012, 07:44 AM   #391
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Re: VOY: The Eternal Tide by Kirsten Beyer Review Thread (Spoilers!)

Arguably the Tarkon had no right to the system, having forcably taken it from the lawful residents. Whom Voyager ended up rescuing. So...
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Old September 20 2012, 04:47 PM   #392
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Re: VOY: The Eternal Tide by Kirsten Beyer Review Thread (Spoilers!)

I'm becoming even less of a fan of the resurrection seeing as it also coinciding with a desire among over fans in litverse threads to undo other significant changes in the novels.

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Old September 20 2012, 05:15 PM   #393
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Well, I won't be happy until they resurrect Lee Kelso...
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Old September 20 2012, 06:23 PM   #394
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Well, I won't be happy until they resurrect Lee Kelso...
I still want Kirk Back!
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Old September 20 2012, 06:27 PM   #395
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Resurrect Pike's yeoman who was killed on the mission before "The Cage" started! Trek hasn't been the same since we lost Yeoman what's-his-name!

(And yes, I know Early Voyages named him Dermot Cusack, but that spoils the gag.)
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Old September 20 2012, 06:32 PM   #396
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Resurrect Pike's yeoman who was killed on the mission before "The Cage" started! Trek hasn't been the same since we lost Yeoman what's-his-name!

(And yes, I know Early Voyages named him Dermot Cusack, but that spoils the gag.)
Ok, now I am laughing out loud at my desk at work!
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Old September 20 2012, 08:12 PM   #397
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I just finished this novel and thought it was well written.I like how she wrote Janeway and Chakotay in this novel.I liked Eden Asfaraah and Q-Junior storylines were portrayed in this book.Today I bought Unworthy by Kristen Beyer she certainly made the voyager fans happy with her latest book.
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Old September 21 2012, 12:21 AM   #398
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Well, I won't be happy until they resurrect Lee Kelso...
Funny, I just recently watched an off-air VHS tape of the remastered WNM, in honor of the anniversary. And yes, he did have a particularly lousy death.

(Must get around to buying the remastered DVD sets)
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Old September 21 2012, 04:09 AM   #399
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The Eternal Tide was a good read, but I'm not sure I was fond of a few of it's twists and turns which ended many paths of character exploration.

Amanda Rogers (The Q who was Human from birth) and Q (aka Junior) were both reintroduced as these great characters who had learned much from mortals and from having a mortal perspective only to be axed in the end.

This saddens me, because I really wanted to see the story written involving all the Young-Adult Wunderkin ie Junior, Icheb, Amanda, Kol, Wesley, & McHenry) hanging out at The Captain's Table.
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Old September 21 2012, 05:07 PM   #400
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Old September 22 2012, 01:54 AM   #401
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This was a good read. I base how thoroughly I enjoyed a book by how long it took me to read it. Since I read it in a day I categorize it as a great/good read.

I didn't like how Amanda was just so easily gotten rid of. I know she hasn't been in much but she could have been a great side character for Junior. I never liked Junior before, but in this he seemed to grow and mature in such a way that I would have like to see more of him.

I also didn't like how so much of the fleet was just done away with. I hope it just won't be Voyager flying around the Delta Quadrant now.

I didn't mind the swapping of Eden with Janeway. Eden never really worked for me and I'm glad Janeway got to come back as I never like the way she was killed off.

I also hope these books don't go back to the "TV show format" and try and get the entire crew back together. Please leave Tuvok on Titan!

So, not great but very good. I rated it Above Average.
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Old September 22 2012, 08:36 PM   #402
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My review of the novel is now up over at Unreality SF: http://unreality-sf.net/2012/09/18/s...l-tide-review/
Ummmmm....yeah.

I think what actually did so was that at the end, it felt to me as if the series had returned too closely to the TV seriesí status quo, and as a result I feel that the state of affairs is a lot less interesting after the events of The Eternal Tide than it was after Children of the Storm, and a lot of the good work done in the last few novels has been undone in the process. Iím aware that many of the characters Beyer developed over the last few novels ares still there even while several of the ships arenít, but I doubt that Starfleet has the resources to replenish the fleet with new ships, so I fear that even if the characters return the fleet will have less diverse settings as a result.
I also review novels that haven't even been written yet.

And I really wish people would stop boo-hooing about character relationships in Trek novels. J/C is a popular 'ship and the novels have been setting it up since Homecoming. They have "chemistry" in the novels because the novels say they do. Feel free to focus your efforts on "hard" sci-fi from now on, and don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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Old September 22 2012, 08:43 PM   #403
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My review of the novel is now up over at Unreality SF: http://unreality-sf.net/2012/09/18/s...l-tide-review/
Ummmmm....yeah.

I think what actually did so was that at the end, it felt to me as if the series had returned too closely to the TV seriesí status quo, and as a result I feel that the state of affairs is a lot less interesting after the events of The Eternal Tide than it was after Children of the Storm, and a lot of the good work done in the last few novels has been undone in the process. Iím aware that many of the characters Beyer developed over the last few novels ares still there even while several of the ships arenít, but I doubt that Starfleet has the resources to replenish the fleet with new ships, so I fear that even if the characters return the fleet will have less diverse settings as a result.
I also review novels that haven't even been written yet.

And I really wish people would stop boo-hooing about character relationships in Trek novels. J/C is a popular 'ship and the novels have been setting it up since Homecoming. They have "chemistry" in the novels because the novels say they do. Feel free to focus your efforts on "hard" sci-fi from now on, and don't let the door hit you on the way out.

People have a right to their own opinions. Just because you don't agree with these specific opinions, does not mean you can be so rude. Especially your last comment makes you sound as if you just dismiss anyone who thinks differently then you.
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Old September 22 2012, 09:27 PM   #404
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Mage wrote: View Post
Square wrote: View Post
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My review of the novel is now up over at Unreality SF: http://unreality-sf.net/2012/09/18/s...l-tide-review/
Ummmmm....yeah.

I think what actually did so was that at the end, it felt to me as if the series had returned too closely to the TV series’ status quo, and as a result I feel that the state of affairs is a lot less interesting after the events of The Eternal Tide than it was after Children of the Storm, and a lot of the good work done in the last few novels has been undone in the process. I’m aware that many of the characters Beyer developed over the last few novels ares still there even while several of the ships aren’t, but I doubt that Starfleet has the resources to replenish the fleet with new ships, so I fear that even if the characters return the fleet will have less diverse settings as a result.
I also review novels that haven't even been written yet.

And I really wish people would stop boo-hooing about character relationships in Trek novels. J/C is a popular 'ship and the novels have been setting it up since Homecoming. They have "chemistry" in the novels because the novels say they do. Feel free to focus your efforts on "hard" sci-fi from now on, and don't let the door hit you on the way out.

People have a right to their own opinions. Just because you don't agree with these specific opinions, does not mean you can be so rude. Especially your last comment makes you sound as if you just dismiss anyone who thinks differently then you.
And where did I say he/she/whatever doesn't have a "right" to their own opinions?

Please, do quote me where I said any such thing.

Look, this is how internet message boards work: if you want to post your opinions in a public space, people are going to respond to them. Some responses might be positive, some might be negative. But, if you can't handle that, keep your "opinions" confined to a private journal at home, and don't expose them to scrutiny.

And no, you really can't discern anything about how I act from a silly message board post. I am under no obligation to treat every poster with kid gloves, and pad all of my responses with compliments. If you don't like the way I phrase something, as long as I'm not in violation of any rules, feel free to exercise your "right" not to talk to me.

BACK TO THE ACTUAL TOPIC............
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Old September 22 2012, 09:35 PM   #405
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^Sorry -- your "response" was simply childish and insulting rather than a legitimate counterargument, and others are perfectly entitled to call you on it. Namecalling is not intelligent or constructive discussion. You don't have to give compliments, but it's not as if giving insults is the only possible alternative. You could try disagreeing with the ideas expressed without resorting to pointless barbs against the person expressing them.
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