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Old September 19 2012, 11:38 PM   #16
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Re: Lying on a resume?

Sounds kind of shady, and I've done my fair share of exaggerating, e.g. if I've spent 5-10 minutes dicking around in a programming language, I'm listing that as "proficient".

I'd say in general I've had nothing but negative experiences with staffing agencies, and this sounds like a similar sort of deal. Does your friend get paid for working at this company when he's not 'on assignment'? I guess I'm not clear if this is the typically scummy staffing-type thing or a more legit consulting-type gig.

I also doubt that the company will have his back if things go poorly, so it's up to him to figure out how far he is willing to stretch things. Personally I will list anything that I feel I can learn in time for a second interview. Fake it till you make it.

Getting hired is a skill that has little to do with one's ability to handle an entry-level software developer's job IMO.
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Old September 19 2012, 11:41 PM   #17
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Re: Lying on a resume?

The entire IT industry is unregulated/unlicensed - so a jr out of school with 8 seconds of VB6 can label themselves a senior developer. When they get fired after 1 year they claim "experienced" and charge more.

For reference, see the *entire* IT off-shoring industry.
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Old September 19 2012, 11:51 PM   #18
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Re: Lying on a resume?

Lying about aspects of your your professional experience?.... sure sounds like an EXTREMELY bad idea. How could anyone in your profession ever trust what you say (or said) or do (or did)? I pretty sure that is one company that I would not want to be working for.

What else will such an employee also be asked to lie about down the road in order to make the company look good?.....
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Old September 20 2012, 02:10 AM   #19
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Re: Lying on a resume?

Weird RobMax, a friend of mine is in the exact same situation. He went through with it which I worry is gonna blow up in his face...
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Old September 20 2012, 01:10 PM   #20
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Re: Lying on a resume?

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While exaggerating one's accomplishments is pretty common on resumes, I've never heard of flat-out lying being a routine practice. Does this happen a lot? Does it follow you around if you're caught? What are the potential consequences?
As far as I'm concerned, that's more or less fraud. If it, in any way, increased their chances of getting hired, it's a problem. I don't see how that can be a tolerable practice. I also don't think it's enough that some outside company wanted you to lie, it's still your resume.

There are ways to hide your lack of experience (for example, I once used paragraph form instead of bullet form, which makes every small thing seem more important and helps fill up space). You can also do small things without having to identify that they were small. Otherwise, the remedy is to actually do things you can put on your resume.
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Old September 20 2012, 01:51 PM   #21
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Re: Lying on a resume?

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While exaggerating one's accomplishments is pretty common on resumes, I've never heard of flat-out lying being a routine practice. Does this happen a lot? Does it follow you around if you're caught? What are the potential consequences?
As far as I'm concerned, that's more or less fraud. If it, in any way, increased their chances of getting hired, it's a problem. I don't see how that can be a tolerable practice. I also don't think it's enough that some outside company wanted you to lie, it's still your resume.

There are ways to hide your lack of experience (for example, I once used paragraph form instead of bullet form, which makes every small thing seem more important and helps fill up space). You can also do small things without having to identify that they were small. Otherwise, the remedy is to actually do things you can put on your resume.
Well, that last part is the Catch-22. Nobody wants to hire you without experience, so you need a resume showing you have experience--but you don't have any. Getting over that initial hump is tough.

Not that it excuses lying, of course.

My friend has decided he won't go along with lying. They're supposed to present him with his employment contract today, and he intends to find some reason to reject that, so it'll be a situation in which he "quit" rather than getting fired (which apparently happened to one of his coworkers who refused to lie.)
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Old September 20 2012, 02:08 PM   #22
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Trust me, I know that quite well. I've had two summers of working for free, volunteering for various projects, and doing school-related events connected to what I want to do on my free time before I'm confident my resume looks full enough to put me on an even playing field (until someone from Georgetown applies for the job, in which case I'm screwed either way).

But lying about it is unethical - even if it won't backfire it can follow you around.
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Old September 20 2012, 02:35 PM   #23
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Re: Lying on a resume?

I say don't let him do it, for most of the reasons people have been citing here.

Out here, my resume is very different than the one I had back home when I worked at the university. The Hollywood resume is much more concise; people don't care what you're able to do per se - they just want to see, typically that you know how to use Word and that you've worked on a few shows. Seriously. This is why anybody --and I mean anybody-- can land a job in Hollywood and make it.

This is also why it's so damn important in the biz that people like you -- references on resumes are all the more important -- is he easy to be around? Is he punctual? Will he annoy me, or is he cool? Things like this are valued much more than education or qualification, at least in specific arm of the industry.

Everything else they need to know about you, they find out in your interview or via your reference. And if they like you on that first meeting (or its their boss recommending you), you get the job.

As for your friend - I'm in complete agreement with Timby -- while it may have the benefit of getting him this job now, your friend needs to seriously consider the likelihood that the company would drop him if they were ever called out on his resume.
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Old September 20 2012, 03:04 PM   #24
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Exaggerating isn't bad, if you can actually walk the walk but never had the chance to officially go on record with it. Some people just never got a fair chance even though they are perfectly qualified, so bending the rules isn't always bad. In other words, don't write cheques your ass can't cash.

I'm not talking about faking a diploma or shit like that.
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Old September 20 2012, 03:16 PM   #25
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Exaggerating isn't bad, if you can actually walk the walk but never had the chance to officially go on record with it. Some people just never got a fair chance even though they are perfectly qualified, so bending the rules isn't always bad. In other words, don't write cheques your ass can't cash.

I'm not talking about faking a diploma or shit like that.
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Old September 20 2012, 04:40 PM   #26
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Re: Lying on a resume?

JarodRussell wrote: View Post
Exaggerating isn't bad, if you can actually walk the walk but never had the chance to officially go on record with it. Some people just never got a fair chance even though they are perfectly qualified, so bending the rules isn't always bad. In other words, don't write cheques your ass can't cash.

I'm not talking about faking a diploma or shit like that.
Pretty much it.. everyone is polishing their resume, i.e. highlighting your strengths and experiences and downplaying the not so good parts.

Experienced HR people often enough see through the bullshit and can judge if it's just harmless polishing or actual lying and if you even lie about your qualifications a simple work field related question might let you go up in flames.

If you're really unlucky and the field is small where you apply to chances are that companies talk and this spreads so you've effectively destroyed your career before it even has begun.
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Old September 20 2012, 05:22 PM   #27
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I would politely decline to be dishonest about my experience. If my actual history and work ethic isn't good enough to get me in the door, I don't deserve the job.

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Old September 21 2012, 03:10 AM   #28
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Re: Lying on a resume?

I wouldn't lie about a job, but I do make sure I omit some jobs I've had in the past that didn't last and fudge the dates by a few months if need be.
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Old September 22 2012, 12:57 PM   #29
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There's lying and then there are creative ways to tell the truth.
No, both are lying.
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Old September 24 2012, 04:44 PM   #30
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I have never heard of a company doing this! That's risky with little reward.

I have bent the truth on resumes, we all do. But it's not lying, it's just making things sound better than they actually were.
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