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Old September 19 2012, 04:09 AM   #106
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Is it bad that I'm now picturing all the male Kes lovers in this thread as having Neelix like qualities?
Let's see. Neelix was a man who'd been through hell yet managed to hold onto his optimism, who cared deeply for the people around him and always tried to make their lives better, and who was fallible yet never stopped striving to improve. There are worse people one could be compared to.
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Old September 19 2012, 04:11 AM   #107
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:: pats christopher gently ::

Yes, yes.. a genial survivor.
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Old September 19 2012, 04:57 AM   #108
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Yes, the outfit was meant to show off her T&A, obviously. But, why do we believe her T&A was anymore highlighted then Troi, T'Pol (and though not quite as bad, still pretty damned suggestive) Kira? Yea, obviously the heels were too much (desperate Bean Counters have shoved this into many Series)

T'pol and Kira were both served well as characters in their writing, as was 7of9. IMHO Troi was the worst T&A offense, because the writers didn't develop her as well as the 3 others, and even with a Captain (Jellico) who didn't want to see her goods, she still pushed the cat suit on him. At least with 7, they attempted to excuse it "In-Universe" with the Medical and Storage explanations, though Kira and T'pol were both treated pretty well developmentally with the writing, there was no attempt at giving them a reason for being dressed like that. Why is it only Seven (And sometimes T'Pol) who is burdened with this accusation of T&A Outfit.

I did enjoy Kes, and think she really got screwed in her final season, and so much more could've been done with her, but, I don't bias myself against Seven because of it. Though I don't see her return as the Sacrilege many other fans see (I think it was natural to see her Alzheimer's Disease without a companion to keep her from going off the deep end)

Seven was a very well developed character and had a nice redemption arc. I don't believe any other female Regular character in all of Trek was developed any better in the writing/Arc (Again, yes T'Pol and Kira were treated just as well)

Yea, Chakotay/7 was wrong, but, that was such a small part of what the character gave us.
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Old September 19 2012, 05:04 AM   #109
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Why is it only Seven (And sometimes T'Pol) who is burdened with this accusation of T&A Outfit.
Because 7's breasts are the biggest. This is why people don't complain about Kira's skin tight suit at all.

Some women's breasts are big. Why are they penalized for wearing close fitting clothes when small breasted women can wear the same clothes and receive no comment?
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Old September 19 2012, 05:20 AM   #110
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Why is it only Seven (And sometimes T'Pol) who is burdened with this accusation of T&A Outfit.
Because 7's breasts are the biggest. This is why people don't complain about Kira's skin tight suit at all.

Some women's breasts are big. Why are they penalized for wearing close fitting clothes when small breasted women can wear the same clothes and receive no comment?
I seem to remember several people having to duck for fear of being slapped by Deanna's breasts.

They did nothing with Deana's character to raise her above Catsuit, and she had not only the breasts, but, the other curves, too, and...unlike the other 3 didn't really get any great writing, but, was shown bending over and flexing often, while the other three weren't subjected to that

And truly, Doctor Crusher, how were her breasts and curves any less accentuated at least half of her screen time? I remember a much more form fitting/"Look at me" top on her, then say Dax.
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Old September 19 2012, 05:37 AM   #111
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Why is it only Seven (And sometimes T'Pol) who is burdened with this accusation of T&A Outfit.
Because 7's breasts are the biggest. This is why people don't complain about Kira's skin tight suit at all.

Some women's breasts are big. Why are they penalized for wearing close fitting clothes when small breasted women can wear the same clothes and receive no comment?
I seem to remember several people having to duck for fear of being slapped by Deanna's breasts.
This is before they had perfected the "mound" technology. Future Deanna won't have to worry about this, though she may find sleeping on her stomach impossible.
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Old September 19 2012, 05:45 AM   #112
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No one penalized Seven for wearing a catsuit.

We all know who was responsile for it, the people that ran the show.
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Old September 19 2012, 05:54 AM   #113
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The only reason you never heard B'Elanna mutter "Borg Barbie" under her breath is because Barbies did not survive the third world war. Sure they have big breasted dolls in the future but without alliteration it just sounds like sour grapes.
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Old September 19 2012, 05:57 AM   #114
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I figure that no matter what the female audience reaction was to Seven, it must've been more positive than the reaction to T'Pol a few years later.
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Old September 19 2012, 06:01 AM   #115
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There was a time when half my posts on this board seemed to be defending 7 or T'Pol, and yes one of the complaints was usually the catsuits.
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Old September 19 2012, 06:35 AM   #116
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There was a time when half my posts on this board seemed to be defending 7 or T'Pol, and yes one of the complaints was usually the catsuits.
Why defend the catsuits? They were very sexist.
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Old September 19 2012, 06:57 AM   #117
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Howso?
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Old September 19 2012, 09:20 AM   #118
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There was a time when half my posts on this board seemed to be defending 7 or T'Pol, and yes one of the complaints was usually the catsuits.
Why defend the catsuits? They were very sexist.
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Howso?
Because they didn't put Scott Bakula in figure hugging lycra. The bastards.
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Old September 19 2012, 09:26 AM   #119
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Oh pfft.. you saw him BARE CHESTED.

You never saw 7 bare chested.

Archer is clearly the winner in the revealing sexy stuff stakes.
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Old September 19 2012, 09:39 AM   #120
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Because they didn't put Scott Bakula in figure hugging lycra. The bastards.
I was trying to put a bloke on the spot.



It's not funny when a girl answers such a not so loaded question.

What T'Pol wore was the standard uniform to begin with, later she was dressed in just as form fitting civies. Although how often did we see a male Vulcan in a uniform identical to what they issued T'Pol in the early seasons?

TNG moved beyond sexual stereotypes from first principles because they had dudes in mini skirts.

Of course, then Berman took over.

Besides, Scott did a playgirl centrefold in the 80s, if you want to see alllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll llll of him, then you're a quick google search away from quite a spectacle.

For all the talk of 'apparant nudity' with jolene, did you see Dominc Keating on Prison Break? The man did not know what a shirt was! That season was set in South America, damn hot, so he might not have even owned a shit, Dom just spent all day oiling himself up and playing soccer.
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