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Old September 18 2012, 06:08 PM   #316
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Re: They are going ahead with a Justice League movie

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Supergirl's youth and inexperience make for a lot of interesting adventures with her getting into troubles that Wonder Woman would know better than to get into.
So you want an annoying kid sidekick? I'm not against sidekicks, but an inexperienced sidekick getting into trouble in a movie about the grown-up heroes usually doesn't lead to a mini episode of Young Justice, it leads to something like this:
  • "Shiny green rocks, they're so pretty ...argh! Help meee!"
  • " 'Magical death trap' Hah, like that can harm me, Super... argh! Help meee!"
  • "It's so dark in here and it's just the two of us, Martian Manhunter, let me light some torches ... hey, why are you screaming ... NO, don't run!"
  • "Tim and Conner are totally gay for each other, but they won't admit it, I'll just borrow Diana's lasso for a minute and get them in a room together, teheheh. *5 minutes later* Okay, Tim wants to do Conner and can't stop himself undressing him with his eyes every time they're together and Conner is ... not interested at all, awwwkwaaaard"
Exactly, children have a way of getting into trouble that adults do not. Though shiny green rocks would defeat superman as well, I don't see Kara as any different from that. and I think Kryptonite overuse is a real problem, if the villain always pulls out his trust piece of kryptonite, what good is superman. Kryptonite is just an excuse for some pathetic human to beat up on superman and his cousin. There is a reason why Lex has a supersuit, because he doesn't always have that trusty piece of kryptonite handy. Wonder Woman would simply punch his lights out if he tried that green rock on her. On the other hand supergirl don't need bracelets to deflect bullets and tying her hands together would do nothing to stop her from breaking the rope and chain. I think supergirl is the opposite of being the fair maiden in need of rescuing all the time - that is Lois Lane's job.

More likely Supergirl goes about solving a problem the hard way rather than the easy way. Wonder Woman is probably better at avoiding conflicts than she is.
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Old September 18 2012, 06:30 PM   #317
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Diana is not "thousands of years old".
Yeah they keep changing her past, hard to keep track, but if she lived from Ancient Greek times when the gods were actively worshipped, she would have to be at least over a thousand, as Christianity dominated the the last 1700 years I should say, pagan deities went out of style.
She was born on an island that has had no contact with the outside world for Centuries. The Amazons not only worship the Greek Gods they interacted with them. When they left "Man's World" Jesus was just a gleam in God's eye. The Greek Gods would be the only gods she knows, even if she was born yesterday.
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Old September 18 2012, 06:44 PM   #318
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As of the current DC reboot, Diana is 23. She first came to Man's World five years ago at the age of 18. Her father is Zeus, which officially establishes her as a demi-god. Diana could very well be immortal but she hasn't lived long enough to find out.
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Old September 18 2012, 07:14 PM   #319
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Mars wrote: View Post
Takeru wrote: View Post
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Supergirl's youth and inexperience make for a lot of interesting adventures with her getting into troubles that Wonder Woman would know better than to get into.
So you want an annoying kid sidekick? I'm not against sidekicks, but an inexperienced sidekick getting into trouble in a movie about the grown-up heroes usually doesn't lead to a mini episode of Young Justice, it leads to something like this:
  • "Shiny green rocks, they're so pretty ...argh! Help meee!"
  • " 'Magical death trap' Hah, like that can harm me, Super... argh! Help meee!"
  • "It's so dark in here and it's just the two of us, Martian Manhunter, let me light some torches ... hey, why are you screaming ... NO, don't run!"
  • "Tim and Conner are totally gay for each other, but they won't admit it, I'll just borrow Diana's lasso for a minute and get them in a room together, teheheh. *5 minutes later* Okay, Tim wants to do Conner and can't stop himself undressing him with his eyes every time they're together and Conner is ... not interested at all, awwwkwaaaard"
Exactly, children have a way of getting into trouble that adults do not. Though shiny green rocks would defeat superman as well, I don't see Kara as any different from that. and I think Kryptonite overuse is a real problem, if the villain always pulls out his trust piece of kryptonite, what good is superman. Kryptonite is just an excuse for some pathetic human to beat up on superman and his cousin. There is a reason why Lex has a supersuit, because he doesn't always have that trusty piece of kryptonite handy. Wonder Woman would simply punch his lights out if he tried that green rock on her. On the other hand supergirl don't need bracelets to deflect bullets and tying her hands together would do nothing to stop her from breaking the rope and chain. I think supergirl is the opposite of being the fair maiden in need of rescuing all the time - that is Lois Lane's job.

More likely Supergirl goes about solving a problem the hard way rather than the easy way. Wonder Woman is probably better at avoiding conflicts than she is.
Where do you get your comics info???? Lex hasn't really done the supersuit (unles you mean Armani ) thing since the early 80s. Nor has the bracelets thing been in play for a long time.

Kryptonite traps are a good why to show that Superman/girl/boy is more than just a set of powers but has a brain too.
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Old September 18 2012, 07:19 PM   #320
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Diana is not "thousands of years old".
Yeah they keep changing her past, hard to keep track, but if she lived from Ancient Greek times when the gods were actively worshipped, she would have to be at least over a thousand, as Christianity dominated the the last 1700 years I should say, pagan deities went out of style.
Except her being thousands of years old has NEVER been a part of her origin.
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Old September 19 2012, 12:43 PM   #321
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^I think that's how they interpreted it with the animated shows. Despite this they initially played her as being very naive and sheltered, so one can hardly say she'd already be a hardened veteran right out of the gate. Oh and they also implied that her father was Hades, which IMO is a lot more interesting than it being Zeus. I mean how many dozens of demi-god children did Zeus father for goodness sake?
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Old September 19 2012, 04:15 PM   #322
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^I think that's how they interpreted it with the animated shows. Despite this they initially played her as being very naive and sheltered, so one can hardly say she'd already be a hardened veteran right out of the gate. Oh and they also implied that her father was Hades, which IMO is a lot more interesting than it being Zeus. I mean how many dozens of demi-god children did Zeus father for goodness sake?
Being a daughter of Zeus would better explain her abilities than being a daughter of Hades. She is strong like Hercules and can fly, she doesn't command the dead.
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Old September 19 2012, 05:28 PM   #323
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^Does she also throw lightning bolts and shape shift? I really wouldn't try to apply too much logic to the abilities and heredity of mythical Greek gods. Besides, didn't Hades end up in charge of the underworld by drawing lots? Commanding the dead was more of a job description than his raison d'etre.

Still, I'm no expert on comic book lore, but I was under the impression that Diana's innate abilities were about on par (give or take) with her fellow Amazons and the flying, super-strength, bullet deflecting etc. being a gift given to her after the fact (possibly tied to her armour?) I suppose it depends which version of events you subscribe to as I imagine her origin story has been re-written and re-imagined about as often as Superman's.

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Old September 19 2012, 07:54 PM   #324
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^I think that's how they interpreted it with the animated shows.
They did? I have no memory of that.
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Old September 20 2012, 01:52 AM   #325
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^It's been a few years since I've watched JL, but I think there were a few references early on about her actually being around at the time of Ancient Greece. It also ties in with the idea that Hades was her father since--according to him--he and Hippolyta sculpted the clay figure that would become Diana together, *before* he was cast into Tartarus several thousand years ago.
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Old September 20 2012, 02:13 AM   #326
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When did this topic become the Wonder Woman topic?

I thought it was about the JUSTICE LEAGUE?
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Old September 20 2012, 03:00 AM   #327
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^I agree. Now where should they be based? Hall of Justice, Satellite, or Moon Base. I favor the satellite as it gives the impression that they are watching over the whole Earth. The Hall would be there but is basically a tourist attraction as in Young Justice.
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Old September 20 2012, 03:05 AM   #328
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I'd like to see the Watchtower be introduced later on, maybe after the Hall of Justice gets infiltrated or something.
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Old September 20 2012, 03:18 AM   #329
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^I think that's how they interpreted it with the animated shows. Despite this they initially played her as being very naive and sheltered, so one can hardly say she'd already be a hardened veteran right out of the gate. Oh and they also implied that her father was Hades, which IMO is a lot more interesting than it being Zeus. I mean how many dozens of demi-god children did Zeus father for goodness sake?
Being a daughter of Zeus would better explain her abilities than being a daughter of Hades. She is strong like Hercules and can fly, she doesn't command the dead.
You really don't know much about Wonder Woman do you? Her powers are gifts from various Gods and Goddesses (Including Heracles). Her skills come from training. In previous continuities she's also the granddaughter of Ares. So she was a "quarter-god".
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Old September 20 2012, 03:50 AM   #330
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I kind of liked the GL movie, the villian wasn't so good but the origin stuff played pretty well and Reynolds owned the part. Just my opinion.
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