How did the Nero, his crew and ship escape Rura Penthe? - Page 2

King Daniel Into Darkness · September 17 2012, 05:13 PM

He's a patient man.

BillJ · September 17 2012, 07:22 PM

Since the film doesn't mention imprisonment, it's NOT CANON!

Procutus · September 17 2012, 10:20 PM

CorporalCaptain wrote:

Since it was all deleted, the whole Rura Penthe subplot involving the capture of Nero is non-canonical. From the point of view of canon, it never happened, and so Nero and his crew never escaped, because they never spent any time on the prison planet in the first place.

Which then brings up the question of what the hell were they doing for 25 years if they weren't in a Klingon prison?

AllStarEntprise · September 17 2012, 10:28 PM

Didn't Orci and Kurtzman say that the comic is non canon to the movie because of the differences between the two and what was present inn Countdown and Nero really doesn't fit in with the final product of the movie?
I could found the article but I'm certain they've already denounced those comics and the follow up comics that follow the rebbot Enterprise and crew. Makes sense if you think about it. Countdown reads more like elaborate fanfiction by the writers. The writers were given a draft script of the movie and then shutout of all the goings on with the actual development of the film.

The origin of the jellyfish, timeline of events for Spock traveling to Romulus, the Narada being a "simple mining vessel" or is it a warship with state of the art Romulan and reverse engineered Borg tech, Nero's origin and what he did for 25 years after destroying the Kelvin. All these things are presented differently in the movie than they are in the comic.

Hang the comics. They make no sense. If JJ wanted to make cohesive story with these elements he would have but he didn't. What makes it to screen is canon. JJ's only priority was providing the public with Mission Impossible in Space, which he titled Star Trek.

I challenge anyone to prove Countdown and Nero aren't fanwank by the writers. In the Nero comic for insistence Nero connects with his "vulcan side" so he can learn mind melds and connect with V'ger and calculate Spock's arrival. Funny thing in the movie when Nero is torturing Pike, Nero opts out of using his "Vulcan Mind Meld Powers" and instead opts to go Khan on Pike and shove a worm down his throat that will force him to answer.

M'Sharak · September 17 2012, 10:29 PM

Therin of Andor wrote:

M'Sharak wrote:

There's room for a certain amount of conjecture, sure, but there's just not enough material remaining from the deleted scenes to form the basis for anything more than speculation.

http://www.startrekcomics.info/idwnero.html

"From Star Trek writer/producers Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman and the creative team behind the prequel comic 'Star Trek: Countdown' (Writers: Mike Johnson, Tim Jones, Artist: David Messina) comes an all-new story set within the events of the film! Not an adaptation, this exclusive story follows the villainous Nero as he seeks to destroy the Federation. An essential chapter in the rebirth of 'Star Trek'!"

While I'm aware of where the comics go with it, my comments were intended to speak only to the movie's content as a basis for fan speculation, nothing more.

Procutus wrote:

CorporalCaptain wrote:

Since it was all deleted, the whole Rura Penthe subplot involving the capture of Nero is non-canonical. From the point of view of canon, it never happened, and so Nero and his crew never escaped, because they never spent any time on the prison planet in the first place.

Which then brings up the question of what the hell were they doing for 25 years if they weren't in a Klingon prison?

Playing pinochle, most likely.

Dukhat · September 17 2012, 10:39 PM

Procutus wrote:

CorporalCaptain wrote:

Since it was all deleted, the whole Rura Penthe subplot involving the capture of Nero is non-canonical. From the point of view of canon, it never happened, and so Nero and his crew never escaped, because they never spent any time on the prison planet in the first place.

Which then brings up the question of what the hell were they doing for 25 years if they weren't in a Klingon prison?

I'm perfectly content to believe that the Narada was just flying around in space all that time, with Nero patiently waiting for Spock to show up, and getting steadily nuttier as the decades went by.

Set Harth · September 17 2012, 11:54 PM

Procutus wrote:

CorporalCaptain wrote:

Since it was all deleted, the whole Rura Penthe subplot involving the capture of Nero is non-canonical. From the point of view of canon, it never happened, and so Nero and his crew never escaped, because they never spent any time on the prison planet in the first place.

Which then brings up the question of what the hell were they doing for 25 years if they weren't in a Klingon prison?

And why exactly did the Narada apparently take on a Klingon armada at the prison planet? Just for shits and giggles?

CorporalCaptain · September 18 2012, 12:12 AM

Set Harth wrote:

Procutus wrote:

CorporalCaptain wrote:

Since it was all deleted, the whole Rura Penthe subplot involving the capture of Nero is non-canonical. From the point of view of canon, it never happened, and so Nero and his crew never escaped, because they never spent any time on the prison planet in the first place.

Which then brings up the question of what the hell were they doing for 25 years if they weren't in a Klingon prison?

And why exactly did the Narada apparently take on a Klingon armada at the prison planet? Just for shits and giggles?

For all we know, the Klingons attacked the Narada first just for being in Klingon space. The Klingons will do that, you know (see e.g. TMP: What's this, an alien cloud? Attack!).

Tom · September 18 2012, 01:11 AM

Well they wanted to show the birth of Kirk and then Kirk at the academy, they just did not have the best plot device to explain the 25 missing years.

IMO, they could have had it that the blackhole was still around when they attacked the Kelvin, when the Kelvin damaged the Narada by ramming it, the Narada lost power and fell back in into the blackhole and then emerged 25 years later, slightly ahead of Spock. You would have had to change Kirk and Uhura learning about the attacked Klingon ships but thats no big deal.

Set Harth · September 18 2012, 01:19 AM

CorporalCaptain wrote:

Set Harth wrote:

Procutus wrote:

Which then brings up the question of what the hell were they doing for 25 years if they weren't in a Klingon prison?

And why exactly did the Narada apparently take on a Klingon armada at the prison planet? Just for shits and giggles?

For all we know, the Klingons attacked the Narada first just for being in Klingon space. The Klingons will do that, you know (see e.g. TMP: What's this, an alien cloud? Attack!).

But why would the Narada need to be in Klingon space in the first place?

CorporalCaptain · September 18 2012, 01:31 AM

Set Harth wrote:

CorporalCaptain wrote:

Set Harth wrote:

And why exactly did the Narada apparently take on a Klingon armada at the prison planet? Just for shits and giggles?

For all we know, the Klingons attacked the Narada first just for being in Klingon space. The Klingons will do that, you know (see e.g. TMP: What's this, an alien cloud? Attack!).

But why would the Narada need to be in Klingon space in the first place?

Who the heck knows?

But as a powerful ship from the future, it could pretty much go wherever it wanted.

BillJ · September 18 2012, 02:04 AM

Set Harth wrote:

CorporalCaptain wrote:

Set Harth wrote:

And why exactly did the Narada apparently take on a Klingon armada at the prison planet? Just for shits and giggles?

For all we know, the Klingons attacked the Narada first just for being in Klingon space. The Klingons will do that, you know (see e.g. TMP: What's this, an alien cloud? Attack!).

But why would the Narada need to be in Klingon space in the first place?

Being a Romulan, he may have spent twenty-five years doing things to piss off the Klingons. Entertaining himself until Spock Prime showed up.

Set Harth · September 18 2012, 02:23 AM

BillJ wrote:

Set Harth wrote:

CorporalCaptain wrote:

For all we know, the Klingons attacked the Narada first just for being in Klingon space. The Klingons will do that, you know (see e.g. TMP: What's this, an alien cloud? Attack!).

But why would the Narada need to be in Klingon space in the first place?

Being a Romulan, he may have spent twenty-five years doing things to piss off the Klingons.

Things that Starfleet, for some reason, never heard about.

Mr_Homn · September 18 2012, 04:07 AM

Set Harth wrote:

BillJ wrote:

Set Harth wrote:

But why would the Narada need to be in Klingon space in the first place?

Being a Romulan, he may have spent twenty-five years doing things to piss off the Klingons.

Things that Starfleet, for some reason, never heard about.

yea, the whole twenty five years waiting around thing is just bad writing no matter how you slice it..

But hey its just a dumb summer action movie so who is surprised really?

Therin of Andor · September 18 2012, 11:24 AM

M'Sharak wrote:

While I'm aware of where the comics go with it, my comments were intended to speak only to the movie's content as a basis for fan speculation, nothing more.

I know, but it seems many people with questions about Nero have not heard of the IDW "Nero" mini-series at all.

Procutus wrote:

Which then brings up the question of what the hell were they doing for 25 years if they weren't in a Klingon prison?

Well, whatever they were doing, Nero lost an ear tip during that time.

September 17 2012, 05:13 PM	#16
King Daniel Into Darkness Admiral Location: Behind the aft nacelle	Re: How did the Nero, his crew and ship escape Rura Penthe? He's a patient man. __________________ Star Trek Imponderables, fun mashups of Trek's biggest continuity errors! Ep1, Ep2 and Ep3

September 17 2012, 07:22 PM	#17
BillJ Vice Admiral Location: In the 23rd Century...	Re: How did the Nero, his crew and ship escape Rura Penthe? Since the film doesn't mention imprisonment, it's NOT CANON! __________________ "You know. 1966? Seventy-nine episodes, about thirty good ones." - Phillip Fry describing Star Trek, Futurama

September 17 2012, 10:28 PM	#19
AllStarEntprise Commander	Re: How did the Nero, his crew and ship escape Rura Penthe? Didn't Orci and Kurtzman say that the comic is non canon to the movie because of the differences between the two and what was present inn Countdown and Nero really doesn't fit in with the final product of the movie? I could found the article but I'm certain they've already denounced those comics and the follow up comics that follow the rebbot Enterprise and crew. Makes sense if you think about it. Countdown reads more like elaborate fanfiction by the writers. The writers were given a draft script of the movie and then shutout of all the goings on with the actual development of the film. The origin of the jellyfish, timeline of events for Spock traveling to Romulus, the Narada being a "simple mining vessel" or is it a warship with state of the art Romulan and reverse engineered Borg tech, Nero's origin and what he did for 25 years after destroying the Kelvin. All these things are presented differently in the movie than they are in the comic. Hang the comics. They make no sense. If JJ wanted to make cohesive story with these elements he would have but he didn't. What makes it to screen is canon. JJ's only priority was providing the public with Mission Impossible in Space, which he titled Star Trek. I challenge anyone to prove Countdown and Nero aren't fanwank by the writers. In the Nero comic for insistence Nero connects with his "vulcan side" so he can learn mind melds and connect with V'ger and calculate Spock's arrival. Funny thing in the movie when Nero is torturing Pike, Nero opts out of using his "Vulcan Mind Meld Powers" and instead opts to go Khan on Pike and shove a worm down his throat that will force him to answer.

September 18 2012, 01:11 AM	#24
Tom Rear Admiral Location: In your Mind!	Re: How did the Nero, his crew and ship escape Rura Penthe? Well they wanted to show the birth of Kirk and then Kirk at the academy, they just did not have the best plot device to explain the 25 missing years. IMO, they could have had it that the blackhole was still around when they attacked the Kelvin, when the Kelvin damaged the Narada by ramming it, the Narada lost power and fell back in into the blackhole and then emerged 25 years later, slightly ahead of Spock. You would have had to change Kirk and Uhura learning about the attacked Klingon ships but thats no big deal. __________________ Make it so... Last edited by Tom; September 18 2012 at 03:19 AM.

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