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Old September 16 2012, 09:01 PM   #1
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Was Neelix bordering being a stalker?

I've been watching season 2 of Voyager and noticed Neelix's big jealousy streak. There were times when he appeareded to be following Kes.

So, apart from the love-sick jealous puppy was he also becoming a stalker?
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Old September 16 2012, 09:11 PM   #2
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Re: Was Neelix bordering being a stalker?

Neelix was overprotective, yes. But he wasn't a stalker. If he was, he'd have hounded Kes even after she dumped him.
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Old September 16 2012, 10:56 PM   #3
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Re: Was Neelix bordering being a stalker?

He definitely hit creepy zone with the jealousy.

I think his romantic arc was that he rescued Kes and now they would live happily ever after with himself as the savior of the girl who needed protecting. But then he begins to see that this is not the romantic story arc that she is experiencing at all.
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Old September 16 2012, 11:13 PM   #4
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Re: Was Neelix bordering being a stalker?

So we're talking about twisted and Paturation?

Tom wanted to fill her with his little babies.

Neelix was with in his rights to stalk Tom waiting for him to be an asshole, but he was supposed to trust Kes to repulse Tom because she valued their relationship.

But there was no reason for Neelix to be worried/upset that kes knew wher the aked firedancer slept.

NEELIX: Kyoto's quarters. Nicoletti. Hargrove. Ayala.
KES: None of those are anywhere near my quarters.
NEELIX: This is deck eight. That's where your quarters are.
KES: But Hargrove and Ayala are on deck seven. Nicoletti is on four and I think Kyoto is on six.
NEELIX: How do you know where everyone's quarters are?
KES: I just remember.
NEELIX: Remember from what? Have you been in all their quarters?
KES: Of course not. The point is, those quarters can't all be on the same deck.
NEELIX: Well, see for yourself.
Neelix thought that she was the town bike.
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Old September 17 2012, 01:33 AM   #5
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Re: Was Neelix bordering being a stalker?

Is Neelix a stalker? I think that scene where he's hiding outside the holodeck when Tom and Kes are doing a shuttle simulation about sums it up.

He get's over protective just about every time someone of the male sex speaks with her and that's pretty much what caused her to dump him. Sure it took an alien influence to do it, but she didn't go back on it when she regained herself.
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Old September 17 2012, 01:42 AM   #6
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Re: Was Neelix bordering being a stalker?

Is stalking really the right word since it was his job to look after her as much as it was her job to look after him?

Is he stalking her when they're making out?

Or is he only stalking her when she is unaware of where he is?
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Old September 17 2012, 02:20 AM   #7
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Re: Was Neelix bordering being a stalker?

Season 2 Neelix was EXTREMELY unlikeable when it came to the way he was about Kes. I have no idea why they took it as far as they did. He's just a dick in "parturition."
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Old September 17 2012, 05:13 AM   #8
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Re: Was Neelix bordering being a stalker?

It's stalking like a possessive boyfriend is stalking by being aware of all the female's interactions. Monitoring might be a better word.
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Old September 17 2012, 05:25 AM   #9
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It's stalking like a possessive boyfriend is stalking by being aware of all the female's interactions. Monitoring might be a better word.
Was he "monitoring" when he attacked Tom Paris because he thought Tom wanted put the movies on Kes in Parturition? Doesn't that seem like actions of an extremely dangerous stalker, attack or threaten people who are romantic rivals, so your girlfriend doesn't stray?
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Old September 17 2012, 05:30 AM   #10
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Re: Was Neelix bordering being a stalker?

Okay it's stalking.

Neelix is a possible pedophile (why has this not come up in this thread yet, is the forum broke??), a crazed obsessive who will resort to violence to control what is his. He's got Kes on the Madonna pedestal and he'll do what he has to, even KILL, to keep her there. He's desperate, he's hairy and he's losing her to much more normal people. He should have left her with the Kazon because then he would always look like the good one, now that he has to compete with Tom and other suave aliens he is back to being a dumpster diver in space.
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Old September 17 2012, 06:09 AM   #11
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Re: Was Neelix bordering being a stalker?

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Okay it's stalking.

Neelix is a possible pedophile (why has this not come up in this thread yet, is the forum broke??), a crazed obsessive who will resort to violence to control what is his. He's got Kes on the Madonna pedestal and he'll do what he has to, even KILL, to keep her there. He's desperate, he's hairy and he's losing her to much more normal people. He should have left her with the Kazon because then he would always look like the good one, now that he has to compete with Tom and other suave aliens he is back to being a dumpster diver in space.
Now you are just being facetious.

Just because Neelix doesn't fit that Straw Loser description you gave him there, doesn't the mean the character didn't engage in some pretty unseemly behavior in season 2 in regards to Kes and Tom. Was it okay for Neelix to go and assault Tom in Parturition? How is attacking Tom because he thought he might be making the movies on Kes, not extremely possessive?
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Old September 17 2012, 06:20 AM   #12
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Re: Was Neelix bordering being a stalker?

I wasn't being facetious at all. I really do think he started out as a dumpster diver in space but took on the persona of noble manly hero when he rescued Kes. Probably his first time ever playing that role, so quite an ego boost. Add in that he was living in luxury on Voyager and he just won the lottery. That was a lot he had to lose and you see him get quite nasty about it, possibly reverting to survival mode that he was in while living through war. Maybe it was all PTSD.
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Old September 17 2012, 08:35 AM   #13
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Re: Was Neelix bordering being a stalker?

He was very vocal about what an idiot he thought the Captain was in the beginning.
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Old September 17 2012, 08:58 AM   #14
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Re: Was Neelix bordering being a stalker?

In Twisted he was asking Chakotay if it was normal to feel jealous. So i'm assuming he'd never been in a relationship before Kes. Maybe it wasn't as much stalking as delusional ideas of what a relationship is.
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Old September 17 2012, 08:59 AM   #15
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Re: Was Neelix bordering being a stalker?

Really it was quite the high school drama. FINALLY a girlfriend and then she is making eyes at the guy with the fast car.
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