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Old September 13 2012, 09:03 PM   #301
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Re: The Newsroom.

Well, that really brought the conversation forward.
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Old September 14 2012, 10:32 AM   #302
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TheGodBen said the modern Democratic Party was centrist.
That could depend on which specific and current Democrats in power we're referring to.
Obama is the President and leader of the Democratic party, and he is a centrist. Sure, there are some left-wing Democrats, and some could be described as being just as loony as the Tea party but in a different way, but those people don't have as much influence or control over the Democratic party as the Tea party do over the Republican party.

Also keep in mind that I view American politics from a European perspective, and in Europe the Democrats would be a centre/centre-right party while Republicans would be right/far-right.
Being in Europe as well I would tend to agree with that. Democrats=centre/centre right. Republican's = right.
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Old September 14 2012, 06:13 PM   #303
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John McCain was plenty centrist until Obama emerged as a Democratic equivalent, at which point the media couldn't seem to accept two centrists running against each other from opposing parties. So repainting began, and McCain was portrayed as just another right-wing frother. Still, it's undeniable that non-centrists in both parties made it exceedingly difficult for Obama or McCain to remain centrist. In short, their own far-left and far-right supporters. They know who they are.
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Old September 15 2012, 02:53 AM   #304
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John McCain was plenty centrist until Obama emerged as a Democratic equivalent, at which point the media couldn't seem to accept two centrists running against each other from opposing parties. So repainting began, and McCain was portrayed as just another right-wing frother.
Sure.

Well, either that or it had something to do with McCain abandoning positions he had long held in favor of positions further to the right, and acting like anyone who supported those other positions was a communist nutter.
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Old September 15 2012, 09:50 AM   #305
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John MCcain does not really care abot tax policy and other deatails. His primary interest always was the military.
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Old September 15 2012, 12:04 PM   #306
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John MCcain does not really care abot tax policy and other deatails. His primary interest always was the military.
And such a guy should be president? Running a country is about far more than just the military.

Fortunately the US elected a guy who had greater scope.
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Old September 15 2012, 12:36 PM   #307
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Obama is a a terrible person like most politicians. MCcain is crazy, i would never vote for him.
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Old September 15 2012, 01:03 PM   #308
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Mmm, doesn't seem like a terrible person to me, but then again that's on the media. At least he seems to have vision, which is more than McCain and Romney have.
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Old September 15 2012, 01:18 PM   #309
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I personally dislike people with grand visions i like if everyone has his own little vision and it can pursue it. Just to avoid misunderstandings i dont think he is a horrible person based on what Fox says expect for Stossel who does some decent stuff. I am basing my opinion on other left and right sources like the Realnews.com.

Does Obama really has a vision? What kind of vision?
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Old September 15 2012, 08:54 PM   #310
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A vision of hope.

A vision of change.

A vision of Biden not saying anything moronic for up to ten days.

Obama and McCain are still centrists. Biden and Palin are still beyond hopeless even if they claim to be centrist.
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Old September 15 2012, 09:44 PM   #311
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A vision of Biden not saying anything moronic for up to ten days.
This idiot makes Dan Quayle look like a candidate for Mensa.
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Old September 16 2012, 12:24 PM   #312
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Drago-Kazov wrote: View Post
I personally dislike people with grand visions i like if everyone has his own little vision and it can pursue it. Just to avoid misunderstandings i dont think he is a horrible person based on what Fox says expect for Stossel who does some decent stuff. I am basing my opinion on other left and right sources like the Realnews.com.

Does Obama really has a vision? What kind of vision?
If everyone has a vision, then there's no direction. Everyone just takes off in their own direction. A good leader has a big vision, then extends his hand to you and says, "Come with me, this will be good". I get that vibe from Obama. I don't get it from McCain, Palin, certainly not Bush or, tbh, Kerry (I thougth Kerry was ok, but not a visionary). Obama has the vision, but a lot of shit, like the GFC, have got in the way, why don't the Right ever give any credit that it couldn't have been a lot worse, frankly, under Bush or Romney - those guys would just close everything.
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Old September 16 2012, 12:51 PM   #313
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GFC?
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Old September 16 2012, 05:41 PM   #314
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The Georgia Forestry Commission?
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Old September 17 2012, 03:05 PM   #315
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Global Financial Crisis
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