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Old September 14 2012, 03:39 AM   #196
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Re: Another "Wonder Woman" show now in early development

Yeah, what's your point?
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Old September 14 2012, 04:17 AM   #197
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Re: Another "Wonder Woman" show now in early development

In the 70s TV Show Amazons lose their powers off the island, but Wonder Woman's "Golden Girdle of Gia" allowed her to keep her powers in Man's World... Which allowed flr the inconvenience now and then that the snap on her girdle would unfasten and down power Diana at the most inopportune moments.

Did Drucilla have her own girdle?

Precrisis if you chained an Amazon's bracelets together, they'd lose all their powers, hells iif a man stepped a foot on their island, they'd all age a few millennia in some seconds and turn to dust.
Thus man stepping foot on the island might kill him instantly, make all the Amazons lose their powers, evoke the wrath of the gods, or make all the Amazons fall instantly in love with him. With the 1986 reboot this became no longer a punishable offense, rather a rule which the Amazons adhered to after they were betrayed by Heracles. Afterwards men are welcome though not trusted on the island. In the Justice League animated series when men visited the island, the Amazons were shown to have a great level of annoyance, though nothing would happen to either the men or the local inhabitants.
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Old September 14 2012, 05:09 AM   #198
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The Flash can only dodge something that he is aware of, his one power is speed.
Not true; he has quite a few powers. Along with being able to move fast, he's been shown to have superfast perception and reaction time. He can see bullets coming and step aside from them. That's different than just being fast.

He also has superhuman endurance. Again, not the same as just running fast. Without it he'd be useless after running any kind of distance. What good is it to run a mile in a second if you're gasping for breath and about to pass out when you get there?

I'm not sure about other Flashes, but Barry Allen could alter the vibration of his molecules to pass through solid objects and even travel to other dimensions.

And of course, there's the aforementioned aura which protects him against friction.

That's at least five powers right there. Four of them are pretty much necessary for him to be the Flash at all; you can count the vibration thing as optional.
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Old September 14 2012, 04:06 PM   #199
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You ever try jumping up to the roof of a building from the ground level? I don't believe any human can, not even the best Olympic atheletes can jump 10 feet up in the air from a standing position, that is superhuman, and you can't train to have those abilities, no matter who your training master is. There is no amount of training that will allow you to see bullets coming and place a wrist bracelet in front of their paths so as to deflect them.
I've always wondered what went into those leaping effects on the 70s show. Having a stunt person jump up to the roof of a building looks difficult and pretty dangerous.

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...Marston's original idea in the '40s was that the Amazons got their superhuman abilities through some sort of mind-over-matter willpower thing...
I like that explanation. It seems to fit the best with what we've seen of the character. She has extraordinary abilities, yet doesn't come off as super powered like Superman. It can also explain any inconsistencies that we might see in those abilities.
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Old September 14 2012, 04:12 PM   #200
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You ever try jumping up to the roof of a building from the ground level? I don't believe any human can, not even the best Olympic atheletes can jump 10 feet up in the air from a standing position, that is superhuman, and you can't train to have those abilities, no matter who your training master is. There is no amount of training that will allow you to see bullets coming and place a wrist bracelet in front of their paths so as to deflect them.
I've always wondered what went into those leaping effects on the 70s show. Having a stunt person jump up to the roof of a building looks difficult and pretty dangerous.

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...Marston's original idea in the '40s was that the Amazons got their superhuman abilities through some sort of mind-over-matter willpower thing...
I like that explanation. It seems to fit the best with what we've seen of the character. She has extraordinary abilities, yet doesn't come off as super powered like Superman. It can also explain any inconsistencies that we might see in those abilities.
I believe the stunt person jumps backwards off the roof of a building and lands in a net, that part is filmed except for land in the net and then is run backwards, so it looks like the hero is leaping off the ground and landing on the roof of a building. Another shot of the character making a leap from the ground is made and when completed we see Wonder woman making a leap from the ground and then the scene shifting to another angle showing her jumping to the building roof, it is actually a female stunt double who was seen leaping off the building backwards, but when the film is run backwards, it looks like she is jumping up to the roof of the building.
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Old September 14 2012, 05:12 PM   #201
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I've always wondered what went into those leaping effects on the 70s show. Having a stunt person jump up to the roof of a building looks difficult and pretty dangerous.
If they did it the same way as the bionic shows, then it would've entailed having the stunt performer jump backward off a roof and onto a mat or airbag below, then running the film in reverse so it looked like they were jumping up to the roof.
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Old September 15 2012, 01:45 AM   #202
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I've always wondered what went into those leaping effects on the 70s show. Having a stunt person jump up to the roof of a building looks difficult and pretty dangerous.
If they did it the same way as the bionic shows, then it would've entailed having the stunt performer jump backward off a roof and onto a mat or airbag below, then running the film in reverse so it looked like they were jumping up to the roof.
They'd also use an air ram to propel people in the air as well.
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Old September 15 2012, 01:51 AM   #203
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My feeling is jumping off backwards off a roof is safer as you start from the roof. If you start from the ground, you might miss the roof, that wouldn't be good, also you might go too high and go thud on the roof or you might go too low and hit a wall or a window, sort of like the Greatest American Hero.
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Old September 15 2012, 03:22 AM   #204
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You need to stick with the origins with Wonder Woman, as with all comic to TV / Movie franchise... otherwise you might as well call it a ripoff and be done with it...

Wonder Woman was crafted from clay, and given birth by Zeus and Hera... she does not have 'parents' in the traditional sense, and was raised by Hippolyta, queen of the Amazons...
Well, actually, in the current "New 52" DC Comics continuity,


It's the nature of long-running myths and tales that they get reinvented and reinterpreted. That's not wrong. It's part of how creativity has always worked for as long as human beings have told stories. Heck, the whole Wonder Woman mythos is based on a very, very loose retelling of elements from Greek mythology, changing a wealth of detail and substance. If the comics were faithful to what mythology says about the Amazons, then Wonder Woman would've cut off (or cauterized) her right breast in adolescence -- or more likely would never have been born at all because Hercules would've killed Hippolyta thousands of years ago. So it's frankly pretty hypocritical to complain about people changing the details of Wonder Woman's story. There would be no Wonder Woman if Marston hadn't played extremely fast and loose with his source material.
Indeed - starting with the fact that the Amazons WERE NOT Greek. In mythology the Greeks hated the Amazons and vice versa - there are everywhere and always portrayed as deadly adversaries (thus why the great hero of the Greeks, Heracles, kills Hippolyta). In reality, recent archeological evidence points to the myths of the Amazons originating in the horse culture of the Sarmatians - a nomadic group with powerful female warriors and leaders who lived on the Russian steppes and occasionally invaded into Greek territory.

As long as the story is interesting and enjoyable, I say, create and recreate freely. Here's hoping they can manage something worht watching.
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Old September 15 2012, 04:27 AM   #205
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Indeed - starting with the fact that the Amazons WERE NOT Greek.
Err, yes, as I already covered in post #164. Thanks for the added info, though.
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Old September 15 2012, 04:46 AM   #206
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Yeah, Azzarello hasn't played with the source material any more loosely than Marston did with the Classical sources. I don't care for what Azzarello's done with the character, but it's not like the next writer can't do something else.
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Old September 15 2012, 01:24 PM   #207
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You need to stick with the origins with Wonder Woman, as with all comic to TV / Movie franchise... otherwise you might as well call it a ripoff and be done with it...

Wonder Woman was crafted from clay, and given birth by Zeus and Hera... she does not have 'parents' in the traditional sense, and was raised by Hippolyta, queen of the Amazons...
Well, actually, in the current "New 52" DC Comics continuity,


It's the nature of long-running myths and tales that they get reinvented and reinterpreted. That's not wrong. It's part of how creativity has always worked for as long as human beings have told stories. Heck, the whole Wonder Woman mythos is based on a very, very loose retelling of elements from Greek mythology, changing a wealth of detail and substance. If the comics were faithful to what mythology says about the Amazons, then Wonder Woman would've cut off (or cauterized) her right breast in adolescence -- or more likely would never have been born at all because Hercules would've killed Hippolyta thousands of years ago. So it's frankly pretty hypocritical to complain about people changing the details of Wonder Woman's story. There would be no Wonder Woman if Marston hadn't played extremely fast and loose with his source material.
Indeed - starting with the fact that the Amazons WERE NOT Greek. In mythology the Greeks hated the Amazons and vice versa - there are everywhere and always portrayed as deadly adversaries (thus why the great hero of the Greeks, Heracles, kills Hippolyta). In reality, recent archeological evidence points to the myths of the Amazons originating in the horse culture of the Sarmatians - a nomadic group with powerful female warriors and leaders who lived on the Russian steppes and occasionally invaded into Greek territory.

As long as the story is interesting and enjoyable, I say, create and recreate freely. Here's hoping they can manage something worht watching.
Also the real Amazons, if they existed were not superheroes, the ones that Wonder Woman came from are a myth and a Greek myth at that, we are not talking of course about any historical Amazons if they existed, the Mythical Amazons are as Greek as the cyclopes and the Greek gods, they come from a Greek legend regardless of whatever original historical origins they have.
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Old September 15 2012, 02:36 PM   #208
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Could you point out where someone said the real or mythical Amazons were superheroes and where they weren't part of Greek mythology?
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Old September 15 2012, 02:43 PM   #209
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Of course nobody is saying that the myth of the Amazons isn't Greek in origin. The point is that a lot of people assume that since the fictional character of Wonder Woman is an Amazon, that means she's Greek -- which is misunderstanding the nature of the myth, in which the Amazons were portrayed by the Greeks as barbarians, outsiders and enemies, rather than as part of their own society.
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Old September 15 2012, 02:56 PM   #210
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However, DC has always portrayed them with a Greco/Roman image. There really hasn't been any serious attempt to portray them otherwise.
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