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Old September 13 2012, 08:58 PM   #181
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To ask it another way, what is non-depowered Wonder Woman? The Wonder Woman I know is pretty much like the Lynda Carter WW. Fast enough to use the bracelets, can leap high and run fast and very accurate aim. But, these don't seem like Supernatural powers, just extremely well developed everyday skills. Not very much different from Xena.
You ever try jumping up to the roof of a building from the ground level? I don't believe any human can, not even the best Olympic atheletes can jump 10 feet up in the air from a standing position, that is superhuman, and you can't train to have those abilities, no matter who your training master is. There is no amount of training that will allow you to see bullets coming and place a wrist bracelet in front of their paths so as to deflect them.
Sure, superhuman, even at that, I'm not familiar with her leaping 40 or 60 feet, only about 15 or 20, and that's apparently a strain, from what I remember. So, yea, stronger/faster than mere mortals, but, I'm not familiar with her being Superman strong or Flash fast, which is what I meant to impart when I used the word Supernatural, rather than Superhuman (And yea, maybe, not the best of choice of words)

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Old September 13 2012, 09:20 PM   #182
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Sure, superhuman, even at that, I'm not familiar with her leaping 40 or 60 feet, only about 15 or 20, and that's apparently a strain, from what I remember. So, yea, stronger/faster than mere mortals, but, I'm not familiar with her being Superman strong or Flash fast, which is what I meant to impart when I used the word Supernatural, rather than Superhuman (And yea, maybe, not the best of choice of words)
Then you're clearly not familiar with Wonder Woman at all except from the '70s series. In comics and animation, she's always (except for the "Diana Prince Era" from '68-'73) been portrayed as being on the same power level as characters like Superman, Flash, Green Lantern, etc.
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Old September 13 2012, 09:26 PM   #183
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i wouldn't put her at the same power level as some of those... some her her stats are equal, some are beyond, but as a whole...

Strength wise, Superman and Martian Manhunter surpass her by magnetudes

Speed wise, Superman and Flash surpass her pretty easily

Her dexterity and fighting prowess however are easily top of the league, she's got the skills to take down Batman when she's 'depowered' pretty easily, which makes her very dangerous given her abilities as a whole...

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Old September 13 2012, 09:39 PM   #184
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She's definitely in the Superman class in strength and the Flash class in speed these days. She was said to be stronger than Heracles and swifter than Mercury even before that.
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Old September 13 2012, 09:42 PM   #185
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It's a little hard to reconcile that with the need for the bracelets, though. I mean, why bother using them if bullets just bounce off?
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Old September 13 2012, 09:44 PM   #186
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She's strong but not invulnerable for some reason. Magic works in weird ways.
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Old September 13 2012, 09:45 PM   #187
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she's not fully invunerable though...

Piercing weapons, like swords, spears, arrows, bullets, knives, etc. can pierce her skin easily... as has been shown in the comics several times.

Against blunt force attacks, flame, and pretty much everything else, she has far more resilience... it's magic, don't expect logic to explain it lol

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Old September 13 2012, 09:46 PM   #188
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Sure, superhuman, even at that, I'm not familiar with her leaping 40 or 60 feet, only about 15 or 20, and that's apparently a strain, from what I remember. So, yea, stronger/faster than mere mortals, but, I'm not familiar with her being Superman strong or Flash fast, which is what I meant to impart when I used the word Supernatural, rather than Superhuman (And yea, maybe, not the best of choice of words)
Then you're clearly not familiar with Wonder Woman at all except from the '70s series. In comics and animation, she's always (except for the "Diana Prince Era" from '68-'73) been portrayed as being on the same power level as characters like Superman, Flash, Green Lantern, etc.
Maybe, but, I don't remember the comics of the early 70s being any different then the show, though that was spotty reading, not religiously reading every issue

Don't really remember her being SuperSuper in Superfriends either, but, it was a long time ago, so maybe I'm remembering wrong
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Old September 13 2012, 09:47 PM   #189
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She's definitely in the Superman class in strength and the Flash class in speed these days. She was said to be stronger than Heracles and swifter than Mercury even before that.
I'll admit to not keeping up with her comics after the reboot, but I remember for certain a race between the two in comics in the mid 2000's, which ended with Flash leaving her in the dust...

she may be fast, but she's not connected to the DC speed force that powers Flash

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Old September 13 2012, 09:52 PM   #190
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Well speed is Flash's thing. He should leave everyone in dust, even Superman.
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Old September 13 2012, 09:53 PM   #191
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i wouldn't put her at the same power level as some of those... some her her stats are equal, some are beyond, but as a whole...

Strength wise, Superman and Martian Manhunter surpass her by magnetudes

Speed wise, Superman and Flash surpass her pretty easily
That's not what the official DC Wiki I linked to before says. Maybe that was true decades ago, but in the modern comics, Wonder Woman is nearly Superman's equal in strength and somewhere between Superman and the Flash in terms of speed.

After all, these are imaginary characters who've been interpreted many ways over the decades. It's not like there's some single "right" answer about how powerful they are relative to each other. It depends on which particular interpretation you're talking about.

Although I should clarify that when I said she was on "the same level" as those characters, I did not
mean that her powers were exactly equal to theirs; that doesn't even make sense, since of course they're all individuals. What I meant is that she's in the same general class of power and efficacy as a hero, the top-grade superhuman tier rather than a Batman level or a Bane level.


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It's a little hard to reconcile that with the need for the bracelets, though. I mean, why bother using them if bullets just bounce off?
These days, nostalgia, mostly. The bullet-deflecting trick was part of the original concept for the character, one of her defining traits, so they've kept it around even as they've amped up her power levels. According to the Wikipedia article I linked to above (come on, people, you can get these answers for yourselves if you just follow the links and read them -- that's what they're for), Marston's original idea in the '40s was that the Amazons got their superhuman abilities through some sort of mind-over-matter willpower thing, letting them increase the effectiveness of their muscles, but not becoming bulletproof in the process. (And of course the "bracelets" were actually shackles, a symbol of the Amazons' former enslavement and part of Marston's whole bondage-fetish thing.) As for the modern character, the DC Wiki entry gives vulnerability to piercing attacks as her one significant weakness, and it says that bullets wouldn't penetrate her muscles but can penetrate her skin. So the modern Wonder Woman doesn't technically need the bracelets to ward off death; it's more just to avoid the pain and inconvenience and minor bruising and bleeding that would result from being hit by bullets.
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Old September 13 2012, 10:19 PM   #192
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Whoops, I had read the main Wikipedia article, but I missed that particular point. Makes sense.
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Old September 14 2012, 02:36 AM   #193
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To ask it another way, what is non-depowered Wonder Woman? The Wonder Woman I know is pretty much like the Lynda Carter WW. Fast enough to use the bracelets, can leap high and run fast and very accurate aim. But, these don't seem like Supernatural powers, just extremely well developed everyday skills. Not very much different from Xena.
You ever try jumping up to the roof of a building from the ground level? I don't believe any human can, not even the best Olympic atheletes can jump 10 feet up in the air from a standing position, that is superhuman, and you can't train to have those abilities, no matter who your training master is. There is no amount of training that will allow you to see bullets coming and place a wrist bracelet in front of their paths so as to deflect them.
Sure, superhuman, even at that, I'm not familiar with her leaping 40 or 60 feet, only about 15 or 20, and that's apparently a strain, from what I remember. So, yea, stronger/faster than mere mortals, but, I'm not familiar with her being Superman strong or Flash fast, which is what I meant to impart when I used the word Supernatural, rather than Superhuman (And yea, maybe, not the best of choice of words)

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Superman is the modern equivalent to Paul Bunyan. Bionic Man strong is certainly more believable than superman strong. Steve Austen does not have to worry about his clothes burning up due to atmospheric friction when running a good highway speed of 60 miles per hour. The flash by all rights should end up completely naked every time he does MACH 25, his skin would also have to be invulnerable to this heating, and at certain speeds it becomes impossible to run, the Flash would have to fly like Superman. Superman is a more believable character than the flash, he is at once strong, fast and invulnerable, and he needs to be invulnerable to keep from burning up in the atmosphere when he goes too fast, the fact that he can fly solves the running problem that Flash has, though Superman would end up naked as his super suit burned off in the atmosphere, his suit would need to be just as invulnerable as he is.
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Flash has an aura around his body that protects him from the side effects of moving at great speeds.

Superman's suit, in some incarnations, is from Krypton and is just as invulnerable as he is. In others, Superman's body projects an energy field that contributes to his seeming invulnerability which makes his suit virtually indestructible. His cape, which is out side of the field, tended to get shredded. Currently Superman is pretty tough but uses his cape and Kryptonian armor to make himself invulnerable.

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Old September 14 2012, 03:34 AM   #195
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Flash has an aura around his body that protects him from the side effects of moving at great speeds.

Superman's suit, in some incarnations, is from Krypton and is just as invulnerable as he is. In others, Superman's body projects an energy field that contributes to his seeming invulnerability which makes his suit virtually indestructible. His cape, which is out side of the field, tended to get shredded. Currently Superman is pretty tough but uses his cape and Kryptonian armor to make himself invulnerable.

You might say Superman has a built in warp drive and deflector shields. Superman still makes more sense than Flash. Superman is strong and can run really fast. The Flash is not strong, but still he can run very fast. The Flash does not have super-hearing, so if someone an ordinary human could sneak up behind the Flash, and hit him on the head from behind with a two-by-four, he could knock him out. The Flash can only dodge something that he is aware of, his one power is speed.
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