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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Should Chris Be More Like The Shat or Nat?
Come on, Chris, try to be more like The SHAT. 4 10.26%
I’m not sure. Maybe try a blending of both styles? 2 5.13%
I’m thinking NAT. Keep doing what you’re doing. 33 84.62%
Voters: 39. You may not vote on this poll

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Old September 12 2012, 07:38 PM   #16
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Re: Chris Pine: To Shat or Nat? That is the question.

Wait was that Pine?!

Okay Paramount... when you audition news Trek actors, make sure they've never performed in drag in the past! This is becoming a pattern now!
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Old September 12 2012, 07:50 PM   #17
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Re: Chris Pine: To Shat or Nat? That is the question.

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Wait was that Pine?!

Okay Paramount... when you audition news Trek actors, make sure they've never performed in drag in the past! This is becoming a pattern now!
Yes it was: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Kol7dFZHAk

Enjoy.

And what pattern would you be talking about?
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Old September 12 2012, 08:15 PM   #18
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Re: Chris Pine: To Shat or Nat? That is the question.

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So, does that mean that I made the question too easy? Is it a "slam dunk," in a manner of speaking?
I think it may suggest there isn't a middle ground here.

If you're not satisfied with Chris Pine's Kirk, you probably still wouldn't be satisfied with Shatnerian inflection. You'd probably want a Kirk played by a different actor, or written a different way, or just not at all (because Shatner is irreplacable). Those who can roll with Pine being Kirk however clearly don't feel he needs to cue up the Shat much.
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Old September 12 2012, 08:17 PM   #19
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Re: Chris Pine: To Shat or Nat? That is the question.

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So, does that mean that I made the question too easy? Is it a "slam dunk," in a manner of speaking?
I think it may suggest there isn't a middle ground here.

If you're not satisfied with Chris Pine's Kirk, you probably still wouldn't be satisfied with Shatnerian inflection. You'd probably want a Kirk played by a different actor, or written a different way, or just not at all (because Shatner is irreplacable). Those who can roll with Pine being Kirk however clearly don't feel he needs to cue up the Shat much.
That's a very good point. Perhaps I should have asked the same question I asked about Zachary and Mr. Nimoy--Whether or not the torch had been successfully passed.
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Old September 12 2012, 08:20 PM   #20
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yeah, i'm happy with Pine to carry on as he was... he doesn't need to imitate Shatner to do a convincing Kirk, he already did that... any further would just turn his acting into a mockery of Shatner...

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Old September 13 2012, 03:58 AM   #21
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Re: Chris Pine: To Shat or Nat? That is the question.

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Wait was that Pine?!

Okay Paramount... when you audition news Trek actors, make sure they've never performed in drag in the past! This is becoming a pattern now!
Yes it was: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Kol7dFZHAk

Enjoy.

And what pattern would you be talking about?
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Old September 13 2012, 04:39 AM   #22
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The one point in the movie where I thought he was channeling the spirit of Shatner, he managed to do it without it being cheesy. It's the point at the end of the movie where he steps onto the bridge, takes a look around, and exclaims "Bones!"

I got goosebumps at that moment.
I liked that moment too, but there were other moments that really felt more like Shatner for me.

The biggest moment was when Pine's Kirk is in the captain's chair during the Kobayashi Maru, and he orders medical to prepare to receive wounded. His inflection and delivery there is very Shatner-esque. I also found the scenes with Bones when Kirk is "sick" also had some great Shatner moments.

I think if anything, Pine should take that sense of wonder, enthusiasm, and positive energy Shatner infused the role with. The Kirk of the first film didn't have those qualities yet, as he still doubted himself and was still haunted by his father's death. But in the new film, I hope we'll see a Kirk who, by no means as seasoned as the Prime Kirk, is filled with passion and enthusiasm for being "out there" and who exudes the confident energy of command that Shatner breathed into Prime Kirk.
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Old September 13 2012, 07:38 PM   #23
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Re: Chris Pine: To Shat or Nat? That is the question.

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Wait was that Pine?!

Okay Paramount... when you audition news Trek actors, make sure they've never performed in drag in the past! This is becoming a pattern now!
Yes it was: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Kol7dFZHAk

Enjoy.

And what pattern would you be talking about?
Scott Bakula(Archer)

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Oh boy.
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Old September 13 2012, 07:50 PM   #24
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Re: Chris Pine: To Shat or Nat? That is the question.

Pine did quite the Shatnerian swagger at the end of the first film, and the way he sat in the Captain's chair with his legs crossed was very reminiscent of the Shat. All-in-all, Pine did a fine job of invoking the feel of Kirk without crossing into imitation.

Urban, on the other hand, is clearly doing an homage to DeForest Kelley's McCoy, right on down to the eyebrow arch. That's fine with me, because the imitation is really good and I have a seriously soft spot in my heart for De Kelley's portrayal. He's still my favorite part of TOS.
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Old September 13 2012, 08:16 PM   #25
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Re: Chris Pine: To Shat or Nat? That is the question.

Well seems we all have varying reasons why, but the general consensus is not Shat.
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Old September 13 2012, 08:17 PM   #26
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Re: Chris Pine: To Shat or Nat? That is the question.

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Yes it was: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Kol7dFZHAk

Enjoy.

And what pattern would you be talking about?
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Oh boy.
Isn't there also Janeway (Or Kate Mulgrew) cross dressed as a man, or was that a Photo manip? I'm pretty sure I've seen her dressed as a man?
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Old September 13 2012, 09:27 PM   #27
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Oh boy.
Isn't there also Janeway (Or Kate Mulgrew) cross dressed as a man, or was that a Photo manip? I'm pretty sure I've seen her dressed as a man?
You're thinking of her Marlene Dietrich-style white suit from the WWII France holodeck simulation of "The Killing Game," perhaps?




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Old September 13 2012, 09:47 PM   #28
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Urban, on the other hand, is clearly doing an homage to DeForest Kelley's McCoy, right on down to the eyebrow arch. That's fine with me, because the imitation is really good and I have a seriously soft spot in my heart for De Kelley's portrayal. He's still my favorite part of TOS.
Yes, I saw it that way too, and I think that's what the actor said he was doing as a fan of the series. That level of impersonation could have easily not worked, but he did a fine job, right down to the constant, but cute, grumpiness.

I'm sorry, it just makes me think of this:



He's such a grumpy bear, but he really is sweet on the inside. You can just tell.
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Old September 13 2012, 10:57 PM   #29
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Re: Chris Pine: To Shat or Nat? That is the question.

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Oh boy.
Isn't there also Janeway (Or Kate Mulgrew) cross dressed as a man, or was that a Photo manip? I'm pretty sure I've seen her dressed as a man?
You're thinking of her Marlene Dietrich-style white suit from the WWII France holodeck simulation of "The Killing Game," perhaps?

I thought of that, but, for some reason I seem to remember something even more masculine, but, that could just be misremembering this outfit

Still, close enough to count, if we want to make a trend out of it. Quick, someone find some cross dressing goods on Stewart, Shatner, and Brooks, so we can have a full set
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Old September 16 2012, 10:26 AM   #30
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Pine emulated Cruise from Top Gun. I wonder wgo he will emulate next.
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