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Old September 12 2012, 11:35 PM   #16
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Re: Last Resort was Awesome.

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I should not be asking here, but does Seaquest has on outstanding season worth watching?

Are there any aliiens on Seaquest?
I'd say season 3 is the one most worth watching, because it's about what subs are best at (war), even though it's cancelled partway through. IIRC you can get season 3 on Netflix, but aside from that, you'll have to resort to piracy to get them since there's no season 3 DVD release.

There are aliens, but they're part of the problem with the show.
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Old September 12 2012, 11:38 PM   #17
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I just wanted to see Michael York and Mark Hamill have a sword fight.

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Old September 13 2012, 10:05 AM   #18
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SPOILERS for the pilot below, so beware.





I enjoyed it a lot, but it's extremely implausible, and they tried to pack way too much stuff into a 42-minute episode. This is another pilot that should have been two hours, or at least 90-minutes. That being said, since it's so tight on time, once the ball gets rolling after ten minutes or so of set-up and character introductions, it's pretty tense and exciting action and drama from then on (I'm counting Autumn Reeser in her underwear, obviously). I'll give it an "A-" and call it tied with Elementary for my favorite new pilot of the season so far.

They set up several factions in each setting, with a group we're supposed to root for and one we're not, and some neutral or ambiguous parties in between. On the sub there are the Captain Chaplin (Andred Brougher, awesome as always), the XO (Scott Speedman) and his officers vs. Chief of the Boat Cobb (whose name is taken right from Crimson Tide - though played by Robert Patrick this time) and his followers who may think they're just following orders or may be part of the conspiracy in Washington. In Washington we have an admiral whose daughter is aboard the USS Colorado and a corporate weapon's exec (Reeser) who installed a new stealth system aboard the sub, and then we have a shadowy cabal of under-secretaries and junior administration officials who may or may not be working with the President, or who may be manipulating him behind the scenes in a bloodless coup. On the island we have the NATO monitoring station personnel and islanders essentially taken hostage by the sub crew (though I'm sure they'll work together) vs. the local thug/drug lord who runs things on the island and thinks he's he's badass enough to threaten a SEAL until the SEAL "politely" talks him out of it by calmly telling him exactly how he's going to kill them all. The SEALS are the ambiguous factor, since they were involved in an incident in Pakistan that precipitated the events of the show, but the attack was the result of "bad intel" (or the conspirators misleading them) and has left the new team leader (the original team leader being killed in the attack on the sub) feeling guilty about his role in the subsequent war.

So there's a lot to work with storywise and to flesh out a full season of episodes with, whereas the sub crew vs the shadow government thing by itself wouldn't lend itself to that alone, especially considering the whole island being taken hostage thing could really be solved in about five minutes with stealth bombers instead of the B-1s they sent after them in the episode that showed up on radar and gave them time to respond.

It's interesting that while there are factions you're clearly supposed to support, and they're originally good people put into an impossible situation they were never prepared for, they aren't really "good guys." I mean, the protagonist (Captain Chapel - Brougher) (and his officers for that matter) is pretty much a mega-maniacal monster for what he's done: fired a nuclear weapon at Washington DC, detonated it 200 miles off the coast, took an island full of civilians hostage and put them in harm's way from a government cabal that's already nuked Pakistan twice and fired on its own sub. He could have surfaced in a friendly nation and requested asylum and told the press his story. I get that in order to make them believe that yuou'll follow through on your threats, they have to believe you're crazy enough to do it, but the dude actually nuked the ocean outside of Washington (which was pretty ballsy for the show to do).

No big deal, though, right? It's not like 200-miles off of Washington DC is one of the busiest shipping lanes in the world or anything. It's not like it's going to be pouring radioactive rain on the East Coast or irradiate the fish supply. It's not like whales travel through there. The guy should have gotten an honorary "Fuck the Whales" t-shirt to wear at his murder trial for the hundreds or thousands of recreational boaters, fishermen, and cargo ship sailors he probably killed and all the people on the East Coast he's giving cancer to for the next couple of decades.



As far as the technical details go, the CGI is great, though they haven't really mastered getting the sub to move entirely realistically (though that's not really their fault, probably). The nuclear launch sequence was fantastic. It's really movie grade effects. The Hawaiian scenery on the fictional island of St. Marina is beautiful and I can see why the captain would want to build a new life there, even if his wishes are highly unrealistic and play into his megalomania and messianic complex a bit.

In case anyone is interested, the haunting and very appropriate song in the trailer and the episode is Nothing But the water by Grace Potter and the Nocturnals.

I hope this show can be a hit for Shawn Ryan after the excellent The Chicago Code and Terriers were both canceled. He certainly does moral ambiguity and complex interweaving plots and divided loyalties quite well.
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Old September 13 2012, 01:01 PM   #19
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They set up several factions in each setting, with a group we're supposed to root for and one we're not, and some neutral or ambiguous parties in between. On the sub there are the Captain Chaplin (Andred Brougher, awesome as always), the XO (Scott Speedman) and his officers vs. Chief of the Boat Cobb (whose name is taken right from Crimson Tide - though played by Robert Patrick this time) and his followers who may think they're just following orders or may be part of the conspiracy in Washington.
Um... Cobb isn't his name. It's the common way to say Chief of the Boat (COB). It's like when they say XO instead of Executive Officer.
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Old September 13 2012, 02:02 PM   #20
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They set up several factions in each setting, with a group we're supposed to root for and one we're not, and some neutral or ambiguous parties in between. On the sub there are the Captain Chaplin (Andred Brougher, awesome as always), the XO (Scott Speedman) and his officers vs. Chief of the Boat Cobb (whose name is taken right from Crimson Tide - though played by Robert Patrick this time) and his followers who may think they're just following orders or may be part of the conspiracy in Washington.
Um... Cobb isn't his name. It's the common way to say Chief of the Boat (COB). It's like when they say XO instead of Executive Officer.
Thanks for the information. I was not aware of that.
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Old September 13 2012, 03:09 PM   #21
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The idea of someone owning and wearing a "Fuck the Whales" t-shirt sent me into early morning hysterics. I had similar thoughts about the consequences of detonating that nuke.

Once you get past the implausible premise, it is an enjoyable show, and I'm definitely curious to see episode two. Love the Captain and the XO--I've been a fan of both actors since Homicide and Felicity, respectively, so it's fun to see them back on TV.
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Old September 13 2012, 07:28 PM   #22
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I love how people here keep sugar-coating the utter BS permeating this episode with the word "implausible..."
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Old September 13 2012, 07:32 PM   #23
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I love how people here keep sugar-coating the utter BS permeating this episode with the word "implausible..."
Oh, my God, people are using proper words! This is an outrage!
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Old September 13 2012, 07:43 PM   #24
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I love how people here keep sugar-coating the utter BS permeating this episode with the word "implausible..."
Oh, my God, people are using proper words! This is an outrage!
Not outrageous, just tiresome, since a "proper" description is not the same as an "accurate" one, and an accurate description of a show that spends an hour using real life weapons in ways they weren't designed to be used and supposedly realistic line officers acting in ways they simply wouldn't act qualifies as utter BS, not "implausible."
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Old September 14 2012, 03:14 AM   #25
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Or maybe some people don't rank that as highly in terms of importance as you do and can still enjoy the show in spite of its implausibility (there's that word again)? But it's really a ridiculous argument anyway since the word you're complaining about is simply a less vehement way of saying the same thing you are. No one is complimenting this show on its realism (because it doesn't have much of any), so why nitpick the way they say it? It just comes across as needing something to complain about even when everyone is pretty much on the same page (except in subjective terms like whether they can still enjoy the show in spite of its flaws or not).
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Old September 21 2012, 09:37 AM   #26
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Secret Cabals within the US government. I am intrigued, checking this out soon.

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Old September 21 2012, 02:00 PM   #27
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The pilot was cool but I don't see how this is a sustainable premise for an entire series. Do the characters sit on the island every episode? Do they infiltrate the mainland? Is each episode about a US spy sneaking onto the island?
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Old September 21 2012, 03:13 PM   #28
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I liked it a lot, much more than Revoultion. I'll definitely be tuning in to see what they do with it.
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Old September 21 2012, 03:57 PM   #29
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No big deal, though, right? It's not like 200-miles off of Washington DC is one of the busiest shipping lanes in the world or anything. It's not like it's going to be pouring radioactive rain on the East Coast or irradiate the fish supply. It's not like whales travel through there. The guy should have gotten an honorary "Fuck the Whales" t-shirt to wear at his murder trial for the hundreds or thousands of recreational boaters, fishermen, and cargo ship sailors he probably killed and all the people on the East Coast he's giving cancer to for the next couple of decades
We can retcon some of this stuff. There was a huge storm so there were no ships on the water at that time. How can we retcon the cancer stuff?
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Old September 21 2012, 04:43 PM   #30
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Like others have pointed out already, the plot is completely ridiculous. But I still enjoyed it immensely. Just don't take the show too seriously.
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